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#21 ·
kerpoise said:
From my experience, most folk run zero HSC and very little LSC.

Which to me would suggest if RS were to tweak the damper, they would put the current zero settings to the middle, and allow more control to back off the HSC and LSC.

Who wants more LSC from their Lyrik? And to what end? Normally you run as little as you can that reduces the peak force from the air damper.

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The RCT3 sure, that one goes to stiffer damping than anyone needs with a twist of the dial.
But the RC2 has a soft shim stack with no preload and a LSC needle that literally does not touch the sides and just moves up and down a bit.

At 75kg I have no problem slamming an RC2 lyrik through it's travel with HSC and LSC fully closed.
More aggressive riders need more support.
 
#22 ·
Dougal said:
The RCT3 sure, that one goes to stiffer damping than anyone needs with a twist of the dial.
But the RC2 has a soft shim stack with no preload and a LSC needle that literally does not touch the sides and just moves up and down a bit.

At 75kg I have no problem slamming an RC2 lyrik through it's travel with HSC and LSC fully closed.
More aggressive riders need more support.
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Wow. Sounds like Fox when they went to CTD for the first time.

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Discussion starter · #23 ·
Rockshox needs to quit tweaking and modifying the charger and go with a full redesign. Otherwise, I don’t feel very confident throwing my money at anything they release. The new debonair upgrade was nice, but still just a bandaid. The RC2 upgrade has been temping, but I don’t feel it is worth the cost. I’d rather save my $300, sell my lyrik, and buy a 36 grip 2.
 
#24 ·
tavaenga said:
Translation from a Taiwanese website:

Lyrik Ultimate combines the fully recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper, the new SKF seal ring, and Maxima Plush damping oil for smooth, smooth movement, allowing the front fork to maintain a high stroke during compression while returning the tires close to the ground, achieving unparalleled handling. With the new Charger 2.1 RC2 damper, riders can find the perfect adjustment settings for their riding environment.

*Features / Benefits
. Newly recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper for higher level compression and rebound control
. New low friction SKF seal ring and damping pod seal ring
. New Maxima Plush damping oil reduces friction and improves smoothness
. New signature "BoXXer Red" color scheme
. New Ultimate High Polishing Sample
. Charger 2.1 RC2 damping element with independent high speed and low speed compression damping adjustment
. DebonAir air spring reduces the friction of each moving part and enhances the bounce absorption effect. Even under heavy load, the reaction is flexible and greatly reduces the rider's control burden.
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Doesn't seem to be anything revolutionary at all to merit the "Utlimate" tag. This could well be the last Lyrik before RockShox brings back the Totem for 2020.
 
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#29 ·
Jesse Hill said:
Your probably looking at a 29" Lyrik in the pic and the cached site is 27.5, just a guess though
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Ahh yes you are correct, hadn't realised that the dropout would be different for 27.5 as that's what mine is. Do like the new graphics though
 
#30 ·
Erotomania said:
Rockshox needs to quit tweaking and modifying the charger and go with a full redesign. Otherwise, I don't feel very confident throwing my money at anything they release. The new debonair upgrade was nice, but still just a bandaid. The RC2 upgrade has been temping, but I don't feel it is worth the cost. I'd rather save my $300, sell my lyrik, and buy a 36 grip 2.
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I'm thinking of going this route. It's a good fork but I am still struggling to find a tune that feels supple enough on moderate chunk without diving on huge hits.

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#31 ·
Dougal said:
At 75kg I have no problem slamming an RC2 lyrik through it's travel with HSC and LSC fully closed.
More aggressive riders need more support.
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Slight derailment.

I'm surprised at what you're saying. Educate me here..

At 200lbs I have no problem with support with Lyrik RC2. Riding 95psi, one token, not much lsc, mid hsc and riding what I'm pretty sure is the high end of the aggressive terrain, speed, and demands of the suspension. Only close to bottom when I'm in way over my head. I'm setting up strictly by feel and in the past rode what was most likely overdamped (hard on hands) so went the other way with this fork and freed it up a little. In slow speed really chunky tech I miss some LSC otherwise the fork is amazing.

Is it your impression that I should be using more damping for support as opposed to the spring?
 
#32 ·
EatsDirt said:
Slight derailment.

I'm surprised at what you're saying. Educate me here..

At 200lbs I have no problem with support with Lyrik RC2. Riding 95psi, one token, not much lsc, mid hsc and riding what I'm pretty sure is the high end of the aggressive terrain, speed, and demands of the suspension. Only close to bottom when I'm in way over my head. I'm setting up strictly by feel and in the past rode what was most likely overdamped (hard on hands) so went the other way with this fork and freed it up a little. In slow speed really chunky tech I miss some LSC otherwise the fork is amazing.

Is it your impression that I should be using more damping for support as opposed to the spring?
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Got it with the last sentence. But the RC2 can't provide that support without modification.
For the majority of people underdamped feels better than overdamped. But the right amout, in the right places, is still far better.
 
#37 ·
Verbl Kint said:
SRAM have a big booth at the Taiwan Cycle Show. I hope RockShox is a part of that too. I want to see these up close.
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No Rockshox stuff displayed at all. I asked around and have confirmed that some of the shops in Taichung already have it but are not releasing it to retail just yet. I also wasn't able to find any news regarding any release dates whatsoever.
 
#38 ·
Verbl Kint said:
SRAM have a big booth at the Taiwan Cycle Show. I hope RockShox is a part of that too. I want to see these up close.
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The Taipei show works on two levels.

The stuff out front of the booths is for the public (and competitors) to see. The top secret stuff is disclosed to those who need to know in the closed meeting rooms.

I normally go. But last years one was October and they moved this years one back to April. There's no point going to the same show twice within 6 months. A lot of exhibitors and visitors couldn't decide which one to attend.

It should be back to normal next April.
 
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