Carbon Lowers
Coil spring
Semi-active Electronic damping control
damper with spring-backed IFP

We can speculate right?

 

New damper that (hopefully) help mid-stroke support/feel and is generally more consistent. Also solve the negative chamber's "suction effect" effectively losing 10mm of travel from static.

 

Sounds like folks will need the ultimate edition to have a fork that works like one would expect a non-"ultimate" fork to work.

Here's for hoping there's something more in there. Ti coil spring perhaps?

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Damper improvements would be nice for sure. The fox Grip 2 is a whole new fancy damper, RC2 is just a charger 2. My fox envy requires something more substantial from RS. I think more riders are paying attention to their suspension these days, and offering more adjustability to the rider is a major selling point.

 

LSC dials that do something.

 

what are the spec of this fork? (Lyrik Ultimate) anyone have an idea when it will be avail aftermarket? (if at all)

 

Probably something overpriced and underwhelming. They are a big company so they are going to more than likely send out a "special edition" version to their top riding pros and then have the consumer market drooling over whatever XYZ pro has. They will build stoke around it as XYZ pro wins some races on it and then throw out a "new" version to the public that has very slight, if any, updates/upgrades over the last version and then charge their "brand premium". I have been happy with my my Manitou and SR Suntour products so I think I will stick with the little guys that actually care about their customer base.

 

Bold new graphics and a $500 premium. Everything else is virtually identical.

 

But do the graphics offer better small bump compliance?

 

Translation from a Taiwanese website:

Lyrik Ultimate combines the fully recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper, the new SKF seal ring, and Maxima Plush damping oil for smooth, smooth movement, allowing the front fork to maintain a high stroke during compression while returning the tires close to the ground, achieving unparalleled handling. With the new Charger 2.1 RC2 damper, riders can find the perfect adjustment settings for their riding environment.

*Features / Benefits
. Newly recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper for higher level compression and rebound control
. New low friction SKF seal ring and damping pod seal ring
. New Maxima Plush damping oil reduces friction and improves smoothness
. New signature "BoXXer Red" color scheme
. New Ultimate High Polishing Sample
. Charger 2.1 RC2 damping element with independent high speed and low speed compression damping adjustment
. DebonAir air spring reduces the friction of each moving part and enhances the bounce absorption effect. Even under heavy load, the reaction is flexible and greatly reduces the rider’s control burden.

 

Translation from a Taiwanese website:

Lyrik Ultimate combines the fully recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper, the new SKF seal ring, and Maxima Plush damping oil for smooth, smooth movement, allowing the front fork to maintain a high stroke during compression while returning the tires close to the ground, achieving unparalleled handling. With the new Charger 2.1 RC2 damper, riders can find the perfect adjustment settings for their riding environment.

*Features / Benefits
. Newly recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper for higher level compression and rebound control
. New low friction SKF seal ring and damping pod seal ring
. New Maxima Plush damping oil reduces friction and improves smoothness
. New signature "BoXXer Red" color scheme
. New Ultimate High Polishing Sample
. Charger 2.1 RC2 damping element with independent high speed and low speed compression damping adjustment
. DebonAir air spring reduces the friction of each moving part and enhances the bounce absorption effect. Even under heavy load, the reaction is flexible and greatly reduces the rider's control burden.

So RC2 recalibrating and some sliding/sealing upgrades.

They've certainly bracketed the damping from too much to too little. Are they right in the middle now?

 

that's a gold mine of info. any word on release date?

 

The current Lyrik RC2 was released on the third Tuesday in March so I'm guessing March 19th? Let's see....

 

I can imagine some people wanting a bit more lsc especially. opposite ends of the spectrum are apparent but the clicks in the middle are kinda snake oil

 

Rockshox needs to quit tweaking and modifying the charger and go with a full redesign. Otherwise, I don’t feel very confident throwing my money at anything they release. The new debonair upgrade was nice, but still just a bandaid. The RC2 upgrade has been temping, but I don’t feel it is worth the cost. I’d rather save my $300, sell my lyrik, and buy a 36 grip 2.

 

Rockshox needs to quit tweaking and modifying the charger and go with a full redesign. Otherwise, I don't feel very confident throwing my money at anything they release. The new debonair upgrade was nice, but still just a bandaid. The RC2 upgrade has been temping, but I don't feel it is worth the cost. I'd rather save my $300, sell my lyrik, and buy a 36 grip 2.

I'm thinking of going this route. It's a good fork but I am still struggling to find a tune that feels supple enough on moderate chunk without diving on huge hits.

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Original Taiwanese website removed the reference to the Lyrik Ultimate. Fortunately, google cached it. It seems this fork is ready to retail very soon.

https://webcache.googleusercontent....p?uID=141&cID=179&tID=182&Key=785+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=sg&client=firefox-b-d

 

Those cached pics are interesting. Those show a regular lower that is currently on the Lyrik and Yari seeing they share the same chassis.

However this picture clearly shows a different dropout, possibly a pike/pike lower rebadged to Lyrik for weight savings?

 

Your probably looking at a 29” Lyrik in the pic and the cached site is 27.5, just a guess though

 

Your probably looking at a 29" Lyrik in the pic and the cached site is 27.5, just a guess though

Ahh yes you are correct, hadn't realised that the dropout would be different for 27.5 as that's what mine is. Do like the new graphics though

 

The spring and damper have to work together to provide support. RS have done a good job of making a plush air spring, but the damping is too much or not there at all.

 

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/spotted-new-rockshox-pike-ultimate-crankworx-rotorua-2019.html

 

No spring:

Trek Slash frame is supported by a Rockshox Lyrik Ultimate (90psi)

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/bike-check-3-pro-bikes-from-ews-rotorua-2019.html

 

SRAM have a big booth at the Taiwan Cycle Show. I hope RockShox is a part of that too. I want to see these up close.

 

No Rockshox stuff displayed at all. I asked around and have confirmed that some of the shops in Taichung already have it but are not releasing it to retail just yet. I also wasn't able to find any news regarding any release dates whatsoever.

 

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/sram-g2/

Looks like the test forks have been out for a while. Article came out 5 days ago and I assume they've had it for a while before that. In this cas it's the Pike Ultimate (which I am excited to see). The wait is killing me. Really thought it was going to be today

 

Not much has changed at all from what I am hearing. A new sealhead on the damper, a revised rebound tune and new oils.

 

Then the translated post below seems to be accurate then.

Translation from a Taiwanese website:

Lyrik Ultimate combines the fully recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper, the new SKF seal ring, and Maxima Plush damping oil for smooth, smooth movement, allowing the front fork to maintain a high stroke during compression while returning the tires close to the ground, achieving unparalleled handling. With the new Charger 2.1 RC2 damper, riders can find the perfect adjustment settings for their riding environment.

*Features / Benefits
. Newly recalibrated Charger 2.1 damper for higher level compression and rebound control
. New low friction SKF seal ring and damping pod seal ring
. New Maxima Plush damping oil reduces friction and improves smoothness
. New signature "BoXXer Red" color scheme
. New Ultimate High Polishing Sample
. Charger 2.1 RC2 damping element with independent high speed and low speed compression damping adjustment
. DebonAir air spring reduces the friction of each moving part and enhances the bounce absorption effect. Even under heavy load, the reaction is flexible and greatly reduces the rider's control burden.

 

What makes you think I dont just want the new decals!?! hahah I kid. Yeah the Lyric doesn't look all that different but they've definitely put some work into the pike to make it lighter (look a t the crown) which would be interesting to me.

 

Now available.

From the reviews I've read, the biggest changes seem to be a lighter HSC tune and more useable LSC (I thought that's what they said they improved with the 2019 as well). I wonder how the soon-to-released Push damper will compare.

 

https://m.vitalmtb.com/features/202...te-an,2657?fbclid=IwAR3GoXEdi50KSJuoFn1H4H9V5o7v6BC8cjQ71ZNYPu06_GIB4Qisc7lEx4U

Kind of feel bad for whoever updated to charger 2....

 

That seems to read just like every other suspension release article over the last 10 years.

I like this part, "It wasn't long ago that the Charger 2 damper came out. It was a big deal, bringing with it some notable improvements to RockShox's bladder-based design. Even so, RockShox knew they could do better." If they knew that they could do better, then why didn't they do it then?

 

I'm still confused by the pike. Its clearly a redesigned chassis but none of the articles discuss it.

 

TBH the Pike looks exactly like the MY18 and newer Pike?

 

Cut/paste from the just released marketing material.

Lyrik Ultimate combines the completely re-tuned Charger ™
2.1 damper with new SKF wiper seals, SKF damper cartridge
seals, and Maxima Plush fluid for a buttery smooth
feel while allowing the fork to ride higher in travel on
compression keeping the tires planted on the ground on
rebound for unmatched control. With the new Charger ™
2.1 RC2 damper, riders are able to find the perfect level of
adjustment for their ride.
FEATURES / BENEFITS
• NEW Completely re-tuned Charger ™ 2.1 damper for next level compression and
rebound control
• NEW Lower friction SKF Wiper and Damper Cartridge Seals
• NEW Maxima Plush damping fluid reduces friction and improves smoothness
• NEW Signature "BoXXer Red" colorway
• NEW Ultimate high gloss graphics package
• Charger ™ 2.1 RC2 Damper featuring independent high and low speed
compression adjust
• DebonAir ™ air spring reduces friction from every single moving part,
improving bump absorption and response under load, and drastically reducing rider fatigue

More interesting is this bit for the Lyrik Select:

• Charger ™ RC Damper featuring low speed compression adjust to firm

Which suggests it now has a working LSC needle.