[blaklabl]

I’m sure it’s been flogged here before, but I didn’t see anything recent.

I have a 2015 5010c (non boost) that I have been happily running 1x10 on since I got it. Current setup is 30t x 11-40 Sunrace cassette. Saint shifter, XT gs rear with the WT extension. Runs super smooth, and short of some climbs that I would like to clean and locales I’d like to ride, it’s perfect.

But I’m getting to the point where I need to change out parts due to wear, and am aware at least cassette/chain/chainring need to be changed out. I am considering upgrading to something with more range, was thinking going to XT for the 11-46 cassette and the rest of the 11-speed components. It would also work with my current shimano hub interface.

Should I just skip over 11 and go right to 12 with GX Eagle? You can buy an entire package including the cranks for sub-$500, and the XD driver for my hub is available. I could be in the whole thing for $600 and be pretty much set for the next few years. Hell, I could piece it together w/o the cranks for about $350 and be under $500 for the whole thing, driver and all.

Just looking for some opinions from those that have had the same decision to make...thanks in advance.


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[Sparkman999]

I’d wait a bit to decide as the rumored Shimano 1x12 system is to be announced in a few days. Although it’s supposedly XTR only for now, it may create price changes with what’s currently in the market. For me personally I may upgrade some of my 10 speed Shimano systems to 11, but can’t see myself spending the extra on 12, unless the price point comes down significantly.

 

[Legbacon]

You can go 11 speed with your current derailleur. You need to replace parts anyway so add a 11 speed shifter and you do it pretty cheap. 11-46 Sunrace cassette, chain, ring, SLX 11 speed shifter, boom.

 

[blaklabl]

You can go 11 speed with your current derailleur. You need to replace parts anyway so add a 11 speed shifter and you do it pretty cheap. 11-46 Sunrace cassette, chain, ring, SLX 11 speed shifter, boom.

Really? My 10-Speed will work on 11? I understand the indexing is handled by the shifter, but goat link will allow me to go to a 46 on a 10-Speed derailleur? I thought the 11 Speed versions had something else to them.

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[Legbacon]

Not 100% sure on 46t but I used a 10 speed derailleur on 11 speed.

 

[wytemike21]

I run 11 speed XX1 cassette, because it is lighter than Shimano, with an 11 speed xtr derailleur and shifter, because I prefer Shimano shifting and they are also lighter than Sram with a stronger adjustable clutch...problem free for years. Feel comfortable mixing, except can't mix sram shifter with Shimano derailleur or vis a versa.

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[blaklabl]

Also doing some reading, seems as though it is possible to run a 11-46 10spd Sunrace cassette with either a goat link (which I already have) or possibly putting on an XT 11 speed derailleur? But I guess if I am changing all that I might as well go to 11 speed. Or 12. Back to the drawing board.


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[Sparticus]

Also doing some reading, seems as though it is possible to run a 11-46 10spd Sunrace cassette with either a goat link (which I already have) or possibly putting on an XT 11 speed derailleur? But I guess if I am changing all that I might as well go to 11 speed. Or 12. Back to the drawing board.

Of the choices you've outlined, personally I'd go:
1) Keep your 10 speed and pick up a wide range cassette
2) 11 speed
3) 12 speed
I'm not crazy about 12 speed primarily because it's so expensive but also I don't want smaller gaps between my gear ratios. If I can get the range with 10 or 11 speeds, I prefer it.
=sParty

 

[blaklabl]

Of the choices you've outlined, personally I'd go:
1) Keep your 10 speed and pick up a wide range cassette

I have 11-40, you mean 11-42 or the 11-46 10 speed version?

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[sturge]

If you're happy with the performance of current setup and just want a bit more range I would NOT pursue changing everything over to SRAM 1X12. I would keep it simple and focus on one of the shimano options.

My new Kona has GX Eagle 1X12 and I love it but that's primarily due to the fact this my first 1X setup in over 30 years of riding. I'm sure I would be equally happy with a 1X11 or 1X10 with similar gearing range.

Could be bad luck but the 1X12 seems more touchy than any shimano set up I've had (first SRAM for me). I've learned all the particulars about proper setup, B-gap, aligned hangar, etc. and it performs great but...On 5th ride I pulled in a stick and twisted derailleur (a replacement was $110). Since then I've had multiple cases where sticks/debris pulled cage into spokes. I've avoided damage but that's NEVER happened before. Spring riding on NE singletrack has lots of debris and I've sheared a hangar or two over the years but never had these kind of issues. The good news is that after about 500 miles it's been performing great but I don't have a high level of confidence that I won't have another issue. When this wears out (or fails again?) I am pursuing going to a SRAM 1X11 setup which many say is less finicky.

 

[Sparticus]

I have 11-40, you mean 11-42 or the 11-46 10 speed version

Depends on whatever low gear your terrain and fitness demand but personally I'd go for the 11-46 cassette. It offers a true bail out low gear.

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

I've got a hardtail with an 11-42 cassette and an FS bike with 11-46. I ride some extreme climbs and enjoy the ability to drop into that 46t low whenever needed. Which is pretty often.
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[blaklabl]

Depends on whatever low gear your terrain and fitness demand but personally I'd go for the 11-46 cassette. It offers a true bail out low gear.

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

I've got a hardtail with an 11-42 cassette and an FS bike with 11-46. I ride some extreme climbs and enjoy the ability to drop into that 46t low whenever needed. Which is pretty often.
=sParty

Cool, thanks. I'd really like to just swap out for the 11-46 10 speed sunrace cassette and not have to do the whole shifter/derailleur swap but I'm finding conflicting information on what I would need to do to make it work. I also want smooth shifting so at some point I'm willing to pay for it and not try to hack something together on the absolute cheap.

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[idividebyzero]

I love 11 speed, its a great upgrade. I have a 30t chainring and there have been climbs where I would have liked an extra gear above 42 but so far havent actually needed it, so upgrading to 12 doesnt interest me. Instead of getting 12spd I think I would spend the extra on a better 11spd group set like X1.

I would definitely spend extra on a SRAM cassette, dont underestimate the usefulness of that 10t gear.

 

[blaklabl]

I'd wait a bit to decide as the rumored Shimano 1x12 system is to be announced in a few days.

Well, that was a non-starter. No need for new hubs as well to work with the new spline standard. Time to get serious and make a decision, 11 speed Shimano or 11/12 speed SRAM.

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[Sparkman999]

Well, that was a non-starter. No need for new hubs as well to work with the new spline standard. Time to get serious and make a decision, 11 speed Shimano or 11/12 speed SRAM.

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My point was that with the intro of the Shimano 12 speed components, there likely would be price drops on the 11 speed Shimano and possibly the SRAM 11/12 speed parts. However, it looks like we're a few months of on the 12 speed Shimano becoming available, so any price drops may take some time.

 

[Miker J]

I run 11 speed XX1 cassette, because it is lighter than Shimano, with an 11 speed xtr derailleur and shifter, because I prefer Shimano shifting and they are also lighter than Sram with a stronger adjustable clutch...problem free for years. Feel comfortable mixing, except can't mix sram shifter with Shimano derailleur or vis a versa.

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Agree.

Shimano shifter, xtr, as they last long. Shimano RD, xt or xtr. SRAM 11sp cassette 10-42.

Great shifting, plenty of range, durable, not too expensive, and lighter/cheaper than 12 speed.

Shimano shifting wins, but looses out to SRAM rear cassettes which are a much better design. Not sure if you can easily go to an XD driver though.

 

[blaklabl]

Shimano shifting wins, but looses out to SRAM rear cassettes which are a much better design. Not sure if you can easily go to an XD driver though.

I can make the switch, as I said before I need to replace the chewed up carrier with either another HG or an XD, same price either way.

I appreciate the advice!

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