Have you shaken your fist at them? Did it help?

 

Nope, I was trying to look away from the semi-trailer bearing down on them.

 

You could at least shake your fist at some clouds

 

I wouldn’t worry about it unless they’re on your lawn.

 

This is a question I have been wondering myself. The darn things are taking over our trails. I see them here regularly now and I also see them riding around in town, one guy does block long wheelies on his. It's middle school and high school kids. And the fargin' burn-out holes they love to leave behind are really pissing me off.

IMO, they are electric parasites.

 

This is a question I have been wondering myself. The darn things are taking over our trails. I see them here regularly now and I also see them riding around in town, one guy does block long wheelies on his. It's middle school and high school kids. And the fargin' burn-out holes they love to leave behind are really pissing me off.

IMO, they are electric parasites.

Yeah, that too. That's when you'll see me shaking my fist at the darn kids! 🤣

 

Starting in 6th grade, I became a holy terror in my county riding loud 2-stroke dirt bikes anywhere and everywhere. 70mph as often as possible.

At least Surrons are quiet.

 

Are you in 7th grade yet?

 

Because they are losers.

 

Why do parents buy their teenagers throttle e-bikes (like Sur-rons or Talarias) and allow them to ride them anywhere?

Because they're not as smart as you and me?

 

Middle of the road? What's the problem, they aren't on the trails!

 

My point is, they arent street legal. No lights on them so they shouldnt even be on the road. I am seeing them on our fire roads and singletrack. Motorized vehicles are prohibited on dirt in Los Angeles County. Strike three, they're OUT!

 

You answered it yourself. It's a form of mobility that doesn't need registration, license, pocket money to refuel, etc. that can cover a lot of distance quickly.

Kids are raring to exercise their freedom. I'm in the US Army and see how the young recruits have very restricted freedom and can't wait to get even a small fraction of it back as they qualify for "phase-ups". They look forward to getting any sort of assignment that has the opportunity to let them go free, disliking the safe training environment. In other words, they will happily forsake safety for the taste of freedom that has been kept away from them for so long. They typically seek to splurge on something newer and more exciting (more extreme than anything they've previously experienced) to overcompensate for a need to release a lot of pent-up negative feelings.

They're safer on those than a regular bicycle. If they are traveling closer to the speed limit, they shouldn't need to ride to the right; only road users greatly exceeding the limit would be over-taking them. Fatalities from car collisions are HOMICIDE and shouldn't be considered natural selection; if they die, I hope their deaths will not be in vain, helping to highlight a need to address how vehicles of much greater kinetic energy (greater mass and/or velocity) bully out the smaller more vulnerable users, not too unlike how bikers and hikers feel threatened by emtbs (except cars dish out the majority of violence, while the emtbers are on the receiving end of much of the abuse/threats). Expecting them to get a car is akin to an emtbs expecting others to see the light of emtbs, or whatever self-centered bias you have that you want to impart on others.

In the end, it's a public sharing issue again, which originates from selfish people's frustration of having their desired line and pace being disrupted by other users/traffic. People like OP are like Karens, wanting to assert their greater rights (right to complain about others) through paying more into related systems, wanting to be recognized as having more seniority/value, and/or perhaps having authoritative connections that might listen to them if they cried pitifully enough, etc. How about recognizing that you should stop being a b!tch, stop focusing on low-tier sh!t, and stop expecting respect after having such a condescending attitude towards sharing public spaces with other people. Being bad at sharing public spaces is a personal issue until the infrastructure is updated, and it doesn't help that people keep investing resources to conserve outdated designs.

 

People like OP are like Karens, wanting to assert their greater rights (right to complain about others) through paying more into related systems, wanting to be recognized as having more seniority/value, and/or perhaps having authoritative connections that might listen to them if they cried pitifully enough, etc. How about recognizing that you should stop being a b!tch, stop focusing on low-tier sh!t, and stop expecting respect after having such a condescending attitude towards sharing public spaces with other people. Being bad at sharing public spaces is a personal issue until the infrastructure is updated, and it doesn't help that people keep investing resources to conserve outdated designs.

So I'm guessing you support no minimum age for getting a driver's license or more likely, no licensing at all to operate any motor vehicle?

I'm talking about 15 year olds that think it's a good idea to be pulling wheelies in traffic. Any thought about the rights of other drivers who now have to take responsibility NOT to run over kids who are intent on hurting themselves?

 

When I was 12 I had a KX 80 that I rode wherever I wanted. It was a different time though. My brother had one too. Once we ran from the cops but we weren't getting away from the helicopter. They didn't take our bikes but they roughed us up good. Especially my brother with a mouth.

 

Our society has devolved to the degree that we now have multiple generations of parents who have not been taught and can not teach that common courtesy and obeying laws are critical components to having a civilized society. Too many children have no concept that there are negative consequences for disobeying societal norms and laws and too many parents who will enable bad behavior and blindly defend their unruly children.

The real problem is that those of us who still follow rules and consider the rights of others in determining our behaviors are now being overrun by the increasing number of ignorant people who mistakenly believe they have the right to do whatever they want regardless of the impact of their behaviors on others.

We've crossed over the line and it's never going to get better because too many young people have no concept that in order to get respect you must give respect.

 

The meteor will get here eventually.

 

Apparently the sky is falling

 

Apparently the sky is falling

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Apparently my sis in law thinks the rapture is near and she refuses to get another job. Her husband is pissed. She is in counseling but it's not swaying her.

 

So they aren't compelled to actually parent. Duh.

 

A friend of mine said it best. "Parenting is a hobby these days, one most people lose interest in quickly and were never good at to begin with."

 

Throttle = motor bike

What you describe teenagers doing on streets, is what adults are doing on bike paths here. I rather have them on the street than endanger normal bicyclists on bike paths.

Plus electric scooters, one-wheels, skaters... all use the bike paths for free and at high speed. Only regular bicyclists need to buy a trail pass.

 

why do you pay for a trail pass if they don't? Become one with the lawless crowd...or are you paying to park at the trailhead? If that is the case, just ride to the trails (I would regularly ride to my local trails, even though it meant a 2 mile uphill route home). If they are using illegal vehicles on trails AND not paying a legal trail access fee, authorities should be engaged.

 

There is no enforcement. Consequences don't matter.

 

I saw one of these flying down. The sea to sky highway doing 90km/h (I passed it at 110) - dude in full face, and full body armour. Was fricken insane.

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I dunno, this looks like a pretty good catalyst for natural selection to me.

 

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Some cities in So Cal are starting step up enforcement. Simi is a small town with lots of cops. I see e motos riding on the streets and on the sidewalks/bike paths pretty frequently in Santa Clarita.

 

I think the answer to your question lies in many of the responses to your post. There are those who think people should be able to do whatever they want regardless of how it affects others and any laws don’t matter because freedom. And if you don’t mind your own business then you are a cranky old man shaking a fist.

 

I see that. 'How it affects others' is where I draw the line. I'm totally okay with parents providing their teenagers with the means of removing themselves from the gene pool if their kids lack sufficient sense or physical skill at age 15. But when they do this on public roads, the means of their demise is likely to be a vehicle operated by someone else. And with what some of these kids are doing on the road (pulling wheelies in traffic, swerving in and out of lanes, imitating behavior that they've probably seen on social media), the question is not whether it's going to happen, but when and how bad the consequences are going to be.

I have no issue with people taking their e-bikes to open spaces and doing 100 ft gap jumps or whatever.

 

The parents want the kids, especially the constantly arguing boys, out of their hair and this is a way to do it.

 

Apply that to couples, guys and MTBR 😂

 

The problem still is with assholes and dumbasses, and a general lack of personal accountability/responsibility.

Banning stuff (guns, books, certain clothing, sharp metal objects, depictions of violence/sex, fun things that can lead to collateral damage, etc.) is just a cheap way of saying you don't expect people to teach personal responsibility and don't have resources to enforce personal accountability. People aren't owning up their actions' outcomes, acting innocent/ignorant, insisting there was no ill intent. Charging such people for negligence doesn't deter other dumbasses and assholes from making similar errors. People aren't trying to be proactive in trying to do what's righteous, either, such as out of love/gratitude for what is afforded to you.

Banning just seems to give justification to Karen-like habits--there's a bit of asshole, dumbass, and karen (including gossiping) in everyone, but there's people who DGAF about being rude/inappropriate due to being troubled/frustrated. The trouble/frustration simply could just be from their instinctual urge(s) being suppressed. Fireworks banned? Americans who have this urge will still bring them in around July 4th. Law enforcement knows this kind of stuff is low-tier-sh!t that isn't worth their attention, and that a lot of humans aren't wired to see fault in doing things that are like natural courses to them. It's like the COVID-19 spreaders, not caring if they infect many others until it affects them, and even then, they'll feel offended if they get blame, wanting to point to others to take some of the blame off them, while they conveniently fool themselves into forgetting they ever did anything bad/wrong.

Registration is controversial for being ineffective at meeting any of its intended goals, and not having the cost for its startup/setup and maintenance/operation (including issuance of tags) covered by anything like fees. All the money the DMV takes in wouldn't be enough to pay for its operation, even in rich states with a lot of cars (e.g. 2-4 cars per household).

 

Darwin: Um, we have a way of sorting this out....

 

Make BMX/skateboards cool again.... like when I was a feral kid, making all the old peeps question what the hell is wrong with parents today.

 

It all scooters these days. Lower cost, less skill required. Kids can't be bothered to learn to balance on a skateboard.

 

There is no IQ test to become a parent. All dummies welcome!

 

Meanwhile there’s actual crime….