What trigger shifters out there allow you to up shift two gears at a time?

Shimano shifters XTR and XT level does that now

 

Is it only Shimano because they have some kind of patient on that? It works phenomenally, and I'm shocked I haven't seen anyone talking about it.

 

I think it actually is a big deal.

No SRAM paddle shifters that I know of will UPSHIFT multiple gears with a single paddle push. Multiple DOWNSHIFT capability has certainly been available on both SRAM and Shimano shifters for some time and is a very handy feature.

Current generation Shimano XTR, XT and Saint shifters have the capability of multiple UPSHIFT. Multiple upshift capability is also a great feature, especially in a 1x drivetrain - which is why I'm running gripshift on my 1x9.

I'll be going to 10 speed at some point and having multiple upshift capability is on my must-have list.

 

Just came across this old thread. I think this is a huge deal. I switched from a SRAM X0 type 2 rear der/shifter combo to XTR clutch/XT shifter combo, and being able to upshift two gears at a time is huge. Especially now that 1x drivetrains are more feasible/popular. I can't imagine going back to SRAM for that reason alone.

Say you're cruising along on a fast DH. You round a corner and all of the sudden you have to do a quick 30 foot grunt climb, you can easily downshift like 4 gears with a large thumb push (same on Shimano/SRAM). But then at the top of the grunter, it immediately turns downhill and high speed - this is where it is soooo nice to just do 2 thumb pushes instead of 4 to get back to your previous downhill gear. Even moreso if you're trying to keep up some kind of race pace.

My local trails have those kinds of multi-gear switches all over, and half the thumb upshifts really add up over the course of a ride.

In fact, even if 1x11 was super cheap, that one issue would keep me from switching to it. I actually came across this thread just doing a search to see if SRAM shifters have this yet and I just missed it or something. It seems like a no-brainer for 1x11. Shimano must have a patent, that's the only reasonable explanation for SRAM not having this. I think a grip shift with 1x11 would actually be pretty slick for the same reasons.

 

I think a grip shift with 1x11 would actually be pretty slick for the same reasons.

You know, I just moved from a 3 X 9 system with Grip shift to a 1 X 10 system with a XT shifter. The ability to shift up and down the entire cassette was something I just took for granted. It has been odd going back to a system that does not do this!

 

OK.. everyone thinks it's "great" it's actually VERY BAD!! it's a very big reason you see bent and damaged cassettes as well as broken chains. twisting the chain across the cassette that much in so few links WILL bend teeth, flex/bend the hanger as well as damage other things. Yes, if you are a skilled rider and know how to shift without load you can lower the risks but you are still flexing things WAY more than they are designed to handle. It;s nice to have in an "emergency" Please don't do it regularly or you will wear/brake your drive train prematurely.

 

So, shifting 2 gears down, onto consecutively smaller cogs is worse than shifting3-4 cogs at a time to consecutively bigger cogs in the same time frame? ut: I love my Shimano, have tried SRAM and since Shimano introduced the multiple way release trigger, it's been a no contest AFAIC.

 

How exactly does this work on the Shimano shifter? What do you do to get it to shift more than one gear down the cassette (up shift)? Agree, nice feature..I just do a quick double tap on my SRAM X9 to grab a few at once as I start down a DH.

 

Same way you just push the big paddle further to get more shifts, same with the trigger, except Shimano's trigger is either push or pull, so can be worked with the thumb or index finger. I still use 9spd Rapid Rise, so for me it makes life a lot easier dumping to an easier gear when needed, thumbs are thankful for it.

 

That Is pretty cool!

 

I posted on another thread about how I was interested in the possibility of running the new 11spd XTR rear der. and shifter on an XX1/X01 cassette. I test rode a bike that had XX1 on it and I mentioned in that thread that I liked the range of the gears, but I didn't like having to push 11 times to Upshift and I was informed that I was wrong and that SRAM can do multiples as well.

So now it sounds like I was right? And I wasn't going insane on that test ride? Not for my pride or ego, I'm just curious about this and would like to get it right.

My terrain requires tons of multiple shifts and I find it very useful on my current 2x10 set-up to have this feature; I can only imagine it being absolutely imperative on a 1x11!

 

Raced yesterday in right CX course where shifting must be done all the time to keep up speed. My rig had 1x9, modified X.9 Type2 RD and recently fresh X.9 trigger.

While installing checked and tested that system shifts with ease up to five (5) gears shorter GI. Also shifting down one at a time is very snappy and same 5 gears can be done in about second with confidence.

Both were required to speed up steep downhill to gain enough momentum to following even steeper climb. From gear #2 to#9 and back #1. With quality trigger without much wear, as my retired X.7 had, every lap shifting was good, accurate and fast.

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oaklandish - AFAIK, you are correct. A similar question led me to this thread, and it does appear that only Shimano shifters will do double-upshift with a single press. Like I said, the only reason I can think of for this not being available on SRAM is a patent issue, because it seems to me like a no-brainer for 1x11.

I suspect that whoever said that SRAM does support multiple upshift thought that you were talking about downshift. Those terms always confuse me, because just the word "upshift" gives me a mental image of the chain going up the cassette to bigger cogs, but it actually means the opposite.

So:

downshift = going to lower gear = going to larger cog = going UP the cassette = easier pedaling

upshift = going to higher gear = going to smaller cog = going DOWN the cassette = harder pedaling

I'd be happy to be proven wrong about SRAM not supporting double upshift if someone can point me to where it exists. In the meantime, I can imagine going back to SRAM for that reason alone. I think that most of the folks that claim it isn't an issue simply haven't experienced it with Shimano, and if they had they would be hard pressed to go back too.

(Though it seems like thomllama definitely prefers the single shift, and ideally with some mechanical lock that prevents the paddle from moving at all for at least a second between shifts! )

 

oaklandish - AFAIK, you are correct. A similar question led me to this thread, and it does appear that only Shimano shifters will do double-upshift with a single press. Like I said, the only reason I can think of for this not being available on SRAM is a patent issue, because it seems to me like a no-brainer for 1x11.

You know, reason to upgrade my X.7 trigger was that it was doing double upshift in other than smooth terrain. Upshifting gear at a time is fast enough with both X.7 and X.9 9sp triggers to not worry about, ghost shifting wasn't that much fun.

I suspect that whoever said that SRAM does support multiple upshift thought that you were talking about downshift. Those terms always confuse me, because just the word "upshift" gives me a mental image of the chain going up the cassette to bigger cogs, but it actually means the opposite.

So:

downshift = going to lower gear = going to larger cog = going UP the cassette = easier pedaling

upshift = going to higher gear = going to smaller cog = going DOWN the cassette = harder pedaling

Good to clarify, we non-native English speakers mess up this among others all the time .

I'd be happy to be proven wrong about SRAM not supporting double upshift if someone can point me to where it exists. In the meantime, I can imagine going back to SRAM for that reason alone. I think that most of the folks that claim it isn't an issue simply haven't experienced it with Shimano, and if they had they would be hard pressed to go back too.

Like said above, for me reliable upshifting gear at a time is very important to stay in my preferred cadence range. If any trigger shifter provides more than one gear upshifting with confident feel, maybe I might get interested. Meanwhile riding my SRAM gears.

Btw, I've got both 9sp and 10sp SRAM DoubleTap single-lever triggers. Very nice in road use but expensive and little heavy. Used those couple of times off-road and while working decided that better have dual triggers to minimize mis-shifting which is very likely in rough terrains.

 

Hmm. No ghost shifting problems here, but maybe that's because I'm on a 180mm coil dually rather than a CX bone shaker. Though it has been through plenty of DH rock gardens w/o issue. I can see where that could be a concern though. Just seems like for the majority of 1x11 target use, the advantages would outweigh the disadvantages.

I seriously can't imagine ever going back to single upshift. Whenever I test out new bikes at the shop that have SRAM shifters, I get so annoyed by the single upshift that I have a hard time concentrating on how the bike actually feels.

 

I'm going 1x10 on my fatbike with a XX shifter and X.9 derailleur. Single upshift. I really don't care to be missing the multiple upshift function. I don't hammer hard enough for this to be a factor in my riding. I'm still on a 3x9 Shimano setup and don't have the capability.

My wife has a 2x10 XTR drivetrain on her mtb and I find that I actually mis-shift because the action is so light on the upshift paddle. No thanks for me.

 

You guys should get singlespeeds instead.