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Ideally, I'd be interested in the straggler if they kept the TT lengths and BB drop of the CrossCheck and bumped the headtube up 25-30mm. The last thing I need is a longer top tube and an inconsequential increase in headtube height. I understand it's fine to use a big stack of spacers, but really, who's going to be slamming the stem on this thing and complaining they can't get enough drop??!
My thoughts exactly! I cannot figure out why they would have gone that way..... C'mon guys!
 
Thinking more over this and thinking if the price is right I might snag a 64cm version of this. I can deal with headtube spacers, seems like a crappy design but it's no more spacers than I'm running on my 62cm Soma Double Cross; was just hoping to upsize bikes for less spacers and a longer toptube, one solution of which the Straggler solves.

Only issue might be the brake cable routing under the top-tube getting in the way during the occasional cyclocross race. Not sure why Surly didnt move the caliper inside the rear triangle and provide for downtube brake cable routing.

Here's how Salsa does it on the new Double Cross Disc, shifter cables down the bottom side of the downtube like a standard road/cross bike, brake cable down the top side of the downtube, across the bb and along the top of the NDS chainstay.
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It's killing me because I am on the fence between this and the Double Cross Disc.

the 540 mm top tube on the 52 is great for me. But I'm built like a monkey. the standover is gently pushing it for me. with a cycling inseam at 29.5 I'm sure I can live with that extra inch.

either one gets built flat bar for a year or so. until I find affordable Hydraulic Aero levers exist.

on the other hand, perhaps I might adapt some 105 brifters to the shimano cx75 brakes.

time will tell.
 
Longer top tube (and lower BB) - YES!!! Hallelujah, some chance of a decent fit and feet not hitting the front wheel; about time. Not black either... :thumbsup:
 
Well dang, my LBS quoted a great price for the Straggler that sealed the deal for me. If you're interested in this, call your local Surly dealer and see what they can do for you.
 
I've talked to everyone with a QBP account in my town (that would be 4 shops.) and none of them can give pricing yet. One actually called QBP and asked.

They know to order me a 52 as soon as they can, though. I can't imagine the frameset costing much more that 500.
 
Hmm, maybe it's not supposed to be released yet? My LBS sells a ton of Surly, Salsa, and All City bikes so maybe they've got an inside word from Surly direct and not from QBP?
 
Anyone with a QBP account can you tell you pricing on the new Surly product. Your LBS isn't trying hard enough... In fact, I do believe I quoted the frameset MSRP earlier in this or another thread...
 
Yeah, I moved here from Ogden, Utah (Where one of QBP's offices/warehouses is) to Arcata, California.

The amount of skill and effort I am finding from bike shop employees here is much more impressive. Back in Utah all the local shops had a bunch of either old and disenchanted, Or young and ignorant employees that were simply unwilling to provide customer service. I eventually got down to finding the specific PEOPLE in shops that actually didn't suck (to do a positive name drop, I've found Nate at The Bike Shoppe and Ben at the Ogden Binghams to be skilled, friendly professionals.)

the reason I make that long winded point is that, as good as the shops are here, I am hard pressed to get any answers from any of them. they read the same blogs I do. so they have as much inside info as I do. I generally know more about repair, construction and fit of bicycles than they do; So it gets hard to keep the local shop in the loop. Even when I get good customer service for a bike shop, I'm not getting good customer service. I adore my local shops here in Arcata, but I fight to need them. When the time comes that I have enough money, I'll just buy myself the tools I need to have a bike shop in my garage.

$550, Why is that a question 3 local shops couldn't answer? why can't any of them order it yet?

now that my whining is out of the way...
My initial build will probably have an alfine 8, Deore hydraulics and a Soma Clarence bar.

that is until drop bar hydraulics become more affordable.
 
Anyone with a QBP account can you tell you pricing on the new Surly product. Your LBS isn't trying hard enough... In fact, I do believe I quoted the frameset MSRP earlier in this or another thread...
True story, my LBS was able to confirm that pricing. I've got a frameset on order, swapping over everything from my current commuter/cross bike. Ordered a black one.
 
Anyone with a QBP account can you tell you pricing on the new Surly product. Your LBS isn't trying hard enough... In fact, I do believe I quoted the frameset MSRP earlier in this or another thread...
True story, I had pricing info and my straggler frameset ordered in under 10 mins at my LBS. They must not want your money.
 
Yeah, I moved here from Ogden, Utah (Where one of QBP's offices/warehouses is) to Arcata, California.

The amount of skill and effort I am finding from bike shop employees here is much more impressive. Back in Utah all the local shops had a bunch of either old and disenchanted, Or young and ignorant employees that were simply unwilling to provide customer service. I eventually got down to finding the specific PEOPLE in shops that actually didn't suck (to do a positive name drop, I've found Nate at The Bike Shoppe and Ben at the Ogden Binghams to be skilled, friendly professionals.)
Bingham employees always acted bike snobish to me. Matt, Shannon and the others at Skyline has been great to me. Shell true up a wheel or fix something simple for free most of the time. She;s the only one ill let wrench on my bike. Yeah Ive spent a good ammount of $$ in the shop and they know me by name so that probably has something to do with it lol. But still a good group of people
 
I like Matt. he's good people. but being routinely sold stock on hand instead of what would be good for my needs and then sold on bikes they couldn't get and having parts poorly installed that I could do a better job with (Racks and fenders come to mind)

I like to believe it's me. I have Aspergers so I can seem very obnoxious and condescending at times, And I hope that's why I routinely get not good service in bike shops.

I mean, who wants to help someone if they think he's a prick?

Edit:

I did some measuring on my Soma Groove and the ETT seems to be identical to the 52cm Straggler. So for the time being I should be able to cannibalize most of it for the Straggler, I walked into my local shop and shared a bit about this thread (Shops LOVE when you reference MTBR... No they don't) I told them the MSRP and that others were ordering them right now and and somehow they DID have a part number for it. I got my with tax quote and my down payment estimate

I mean, I had to give them pricing and tell them when the frames would start shipping.

But at least I can get one.

this frame. some cheap hoops/tires and a headset. gonna be ramening for a few!
 
Anyone care to muse on the sizing for someone 5ft11 with a barefoot pubic bone of 84, saddle height of 74/75?
Never ridden a Cross Check so am torn between a 56 and a 58.
Standover should be just be okay on 58 but is this stretching things out too much? Especially as the initial idea is to use some On One Mary bars fairly up with the saddle so was wondering how to size to allow for this and potentially some On One Midge bars down the line a bit.
Merci
 
Fit seems to be pretty close to how you would fit yourself on a mountain bike; top tubes are inline with MTB length top tubes for a given frame size. You'll just end up with a longer stem to make up for the narrower bars.

Just did some calculations and with a 100mm stem, the 64 will fit just like my Paradox but I'm going to use a 110 or 120 to stretch out a little bit since a lot of my riding is road commuting and long gravel rides.
 
Anyone care to muse on the sizing for someone 5ft11 with a barefoot pubic bone of 84, saddle height of 74/75?
Never ridden a Cross Check so am torn between a 56 and a 58.
FWIW, I'm 180cm tall with a saddle height of 750mm, and ended up with a 56cm CC. I've got quite a long reach and used a 110mm x -17 degree (i.e., flat) stem with maybe 25-30mm of spacers beneath. I could have fitted (in terms of seat height) on the 54cm frame too, but with worse overlap, which was why I got the 56. The 56cm Straggler is 1cm longer than the 56cm CC in the TT, so I'm inclined to think 56 should be the right size unless you want no standover clearance and super high bars.

The easy way to get the bars up is not to cut the steerer down much until or unless you are *absolutely sure* you'll never want the bars higher. When I built the CC is used a stack of extra spacers and rode the bike for a while before I cut the steerer; I still left a little extra "just in case."

Good luck with it!
 
Thanks GTscoob and satanas, as we're the same height and saddle I think the 56 is the way, I do have a 20" Ogre I was about to build up before work took me out of the country and into dreaming up combos for them both. Never ridden a modern mountain bike, mainly old klunkers and road ish bikes until now so bought the Ogre based on calculations (might still be too big but I thought the larger size would be more forgiving touring wise plus you get about 2.5L more frame bag with the 20..
 
now that my whining is out of the way...
My initial build will probably have an alfine 8, Deore hydraulics and a Soma Clarence bar.

that is until drop bar hydraulics become more affordable.
Any reason you're opposed to BB7s or the Shimano or Hayes mechanical brakes? Lots of good options for mechanical disc brakes. The only thing they give up to hydros is the ability of hydraulic systems to self adjust for padwear.
 
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