That's pretty expensive for complete... At least here where I have to pay same in euros. Tiagra and CroMo is rarely this expensive, right? Assuming that's how it'll be.

 

Usually Surly's completes are a competitive price, so I'd think that price is not right.

Raleigh Roper - 105 - msrp $1499
Specialized Steel Tricross Elite - Tiagra - mrsp $1650
(no, those prices and spec aren't backwards, Specialized is just sort of.... "special".... in there pricing)

 

Yeah, I'm not too keen on that price-point. I'm not paying $2k for a bike with Tiagra. Although, we're all still speculating anyway, right? I mean, it could come out with 105 or be a less expensive msrp.

Potential bummer.

 

I was ready to drop some cash off to the LBS for one today, but on this news I'm somewhat hesitant, especially since they don't have an MSRP yet. They were guestimating somewhat lower than what was posted above.

I'm going to have to wait on some type of build specs before I pull the trigger. I wasn't expecting something super cheap, especially given the ED coating, but I was expecting it to come in under the All-City MM Disc.

 

Have you considered the Salsa Vaya?

 

I'd go with the All-City Macho Man Disc over the Vaya. But neither of those can be setup singlespeed without a tensioner.

 

My LBS quoted MSRP based on QBP pre-order information. Who knows what they'll actually sell for...

 

So is there actually a geometry sheet out for this? I would think they should if they are asking for preorders, I wouldn't want to order unless I could see those specifics, especially since they have changed some things compared to the CC, slightly longer Headtube and lower BB I think were good ideas, though I've liked the ride and fit of my cross check since I've had it, since 2001(bean green)

 

So... no military green straggler?

 

I'll see if I can scare up the Straggler's geo.

 

Charlie is taking preorders.

Price is quite high with those parts. Especially before any geometry info.

Hope they release the geometry etc. soon.

 

Very hard sell at that price point based on the information that we've been given. It either needs to have much better components or be a lot cheaper.

 

CC is available for £799 in some shops, and I can't even tell is there anything I absolutely prefer on the Straggler, considering what sort of bikes they are.

 

This bike looks like it meets all my current wants/needs in a new bike. I just hope it stays in a somewhat affordable price range and has at least one or two more color options. I'd hate to pass on this just because its purple but...I would.

 

It is available in black as well, confirmed by my LBS.

That said, I'm waiting on Surly to put out the build specs. All the recent pics point to a Tiagra build, but the MSRP points to 105.

If the complete is more money than the Macho Man disc (which comes with 105) but is all Tiagra, then I'll be doing the frameset option. If I want Tiagra, I can just swap that over from my existing cross bike...which I paid (brand new) ~1k for and came with Tiagra STI's and a 105 derailleur.

I'd really like to get a complete and save myself some hassle, but Surly, if you're putting Tiagra on at this price point, I think you might be making a bad move.

 

Just ordered the Frameset from my LBS. Knad tires weren't available yet so I'm gonna wait a couple weeks and have them order me some parts for the build. I'm not sure on some of the parts for the build but I have some time to plan it out. I plan to ride it around the city and from my house to trail heads then get a few miles of trail riding in, Gonna try SS for a while and see if I can tough it out.

 

Edited: Looks like Tiagra group has the shift cable coming out on the inside. So, looks like a Tiagra group on Surly's pre-order page picture as well.

All the prices on the new models seem to say "what the hell?" Not sure what Surly is thinking, but it does not make me gravitate towards another of their bikes.

 

It's tough because this year there are a lot of these kind of bikes coming out. Raleigh, Specialized and GT are all offering new and similar products. Plus you have existing bikes like the All City Macho Man disc. The Straggler looks great but it's just too expensive for what you are getting.

 

Surly has the geometry figures available:

https://surlybikes.com//uploads/downloads/Surly_2014_catalog.pdf

Geometry:

Frame Specs:

Complete Bike Specs:

 

Womp Womp

 

Stem is listed as 26.0 yet bars are 31.8?

 

61cm TT on the 60cm frame? Seems sorta long for that size bike.

 

Although it's nice that the fork is the same as the CC. I'll likely order one soon to put on my CC.

 

I'm out, those top tube lengths are outttttttt therrrrrrrre. I might as well build up another KM.

 

On the Staggler?

 

Wow, Surly saw fit to mess with the already long top tube of the CrossCheck and made it longer on 52cm and up, slightly shorter on 50 and down. And to top it off they only increased the head tube length by a wopping 5mm on some of the larger frames, nothing on the midget 91mm length of the smaller frames. And they say they listen to there customer's input huh?

I'm really starting to puzzled by the price tag vs. spec and the geometry "improvements".

 

Yeah those head tubes should be increased by at least an INCH on every size. More would be welcome. I think all the Surly guys have super long arms.

 

Seeing the complete spec's I'm glad I opted to order the frame only. I'm going to have a much nicer build for about the same price (within 100 bucks) of the stock complete. Regardless, I'm really excited to build this bike and start putting in a lot of miles on road/gravel/trails and everything in between.

 

Ideally, I'd be interested in the straggler if they kept the TT lengths and BB drop of the CrossCheck and bumped the headtube up 25-30mm. The last thing I need is a longer top tube and an inconsequential increase in headtube height. I understand it's fine to use a big stack of spacers, but really, who's going to be slamming the stem on this thing and complaining they can't get enough drop??!

 

When I see a tall stack of spacer it makes me feel like the rider bought the wrong size of bike. Looks sloppy IMO but I guess thats what Surly goes for speccing such low headtube heights rather than something realistic.

 

Glad some of y'all think the geo is a little wack as well. I was eyeballing the Straggler hard to replace my undersized 62cm Soma Double Cross. Thinking to upsize to the 66cm Soma or the 64cm Straggler but think seeing the final geo charts tipped me towards the Soma. I can fit on the Soma with 0-10mm of spacers without a 0 degree stem or the Surly with 40-50mm of steertube spacers.

64cm top tube is ridiculous as well, guess I'd do a road bike fit with a 90mm stem. And the low bottom bracket given that I use 180mm cranks and already had to tweak my geometry with a taller fork w/more rake to get less BB drop on my Soma. Guess I'll see how they price out, one thing is for sure, that the Surly will be a completely different ride from my existing cross bike.

 

Was really looking forward to the geo chart on this, but now honestly looking forward to seeing the new Vassago Fisticuff or building a Cross Check instead.