[cogswell23]

That's one of the strange things. There are super deluxe air shocks with HBO but only available through OEM. Maybe you can have it installed by a tuner, but I don't know if you could do it yourself.
BTW: TheLostCo Shop is a great resource for questions like these on Rockshox products. I emailed them and they helped me out with the air canister stuff.

I was under the impression HBO was available on the top new air shock, but that it just wasn’t adjustable like on the coil

I think you're both on the right track here. Air shocks with HBO were definitely OEM only at launch, meant to be custom tuned to manufacturer spec for a given bike. The shock is described as being available "with optional HBO" but if that means it's optional to the aftermarket, none of those have hit store shelves yet. Maybe it's coming to the aftermarket but it ain't here yet.

Regardless, it's not adjustable on the air version, only coil.

 

[Kombinat.PL]

Curious, does anyone think going with the 44mm offset crowns would be a better move? Was worried about clearance on the frame.

I need to drop Transition a message asking more details about what will work best with Spire.

Currently I’m waiting what price I can get for:

• Ohlins
• DVO
• RS.

DVO is only 48, RS @ 44 doesn’t fit apparently so it’s not a clear choice as with single crown forks.

 

[norcalbike]

Second time riding this trail. -30% average grade. Perfect example of somewhere the Spire just gives the rider such a confidence boost as you’re getting to know things.

 

[cogswell23]

I think you're both on the right track here. Air shocks with HBO were definitely OEM only at launch, meant to be custom tuned to manufacturer spec for a given bike. The shock is described as being available "with optional HBO" but if that means it's optional to the aftermarket, none of those have hit store shelves yet. Maybe it's coming to the aftermarket but it ain't here yet.

Regardless, it's not adjustable on the air version, only coil.

Coincidentally, this came up in my insta feed just now:

RockShox on Instagram: "When you’ve over-committed on that one feature (you know the one), Super Deluxe is there with Hydraulic Bottom Out to give you a soft landing. This optional feature kicks in during the last 20% of travel when the Hydraulic Bottom Out needle in the damper tube enters the orifice port in the damper piston. As that port is blocked, the oil flow slows and increases the force needed to reach bottom out. The whole goal behind Hydraulic Bottom Out is that you don’t notice it—by discreetly adding damping, your ride feels smoother and more in control. Curious to learn more about Hydraulic Bottom Out? Hit the link in our bio, then RockShox Technology. #RockShox"

17K likes, 87 comments - rockshox on January 26, 2023: "When you’ve over-committed on that one feature (you know the one), Super Deluxe is there with Hydraulic Bottom Out to give you a soft landing. This optional feature kicks in during the last 20% of travel when the Hydraulic Bottom Out needle...

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Sounds like HBO is available as an aftermarket tuning mod to non-HBO ‘23 SDUs by replacing the damper body (unsure what the cost of that is), and that SDUs with HBO right out of the box should also be available aftermarket. If you look at the comments on the post, there’s lots of folks saying “hey, you guys told me it was OEM only!”, with RS responding to those people to check their DMs. So, dunno what that means for the real world—I haven’t seen any of these available with HBO, but this makes it seem like there’s at least some movement in that direction.

 

[WHALENARD]

Perhaps with the inherent ramp in an air shock HBO isn't that big of a factor like a coil may be? I reckon a coil with HBO on a less progressive bike is a big plus.

 

[Nat]

Perhaps with the inherent ramp in an air shock HBO isn't that big of a factor like a coil may be? I reckon a coil with HBO on a less progressive bike is a big plus.

That has been my understanding.

 

[Cat38]

Here is the spec for the new Super Deluxe shock Transition sent me for the Spire.

Air Volume	DebonAir Progressive
Volume reducer	0P1
Rebound tune	Progressive (PR)
Compression tune	LC
Pedal tune	n/a
Lockout force	320
Hydraulic Bottom Out	No

 

[Nat]

What’s SDU?

 

[cogswell23]

What’s SDU?

Super Deluxe Ultimate

 

[Nat]

Super Deluxe Ultimate

Ahhh, okay. Thanks.

 

[Dabs For Everyone]

Finally got this thing more dialed in - the Super Deluxe needed a lot more LSC than I anticipated - and got it out on a trail that deserves a bike like this (Solstice in Marin County).

I think I’m in love.

Slightly peeved that those TRP DH-R Evo builds came out literally a week after I pulled the trigger - those are my favorite brakes! And my build came with the prior gen Rockshox bits. Is the Charger 3 upgrade with it on the Zeb? Pretty stoked on It as is.

 

[Nat]

Question -- Is the rear hub Boost or Super Boost? Maybe I'm looking right past it on the website but I can't find the info.

 

[norcalbike]

Question -- Is the rear hub Boost or Super Boost? Maybe I'm looking right past it on the website but I can't find the info.

148 boost

 

[Dabs For Everyone]

Question -- Is the rear hub Boost or Super Boost? Maybe I'm looking right past it on the website but I can't find the info.

Boost.

Superboost is a weird disease that Pivot started but has not spread to many other brands besides Evil, Knolly, and Devinci.

 

[Nat]

Thank you guys

 

[Cat38]

It's listed in the frame specs.
oops missed the previous responses.

 

[MrFish]

Can you ask your LBS to maybe hint at when the new colors will be released?

I was told around April, but that will likely be may/June the way the bike industry is at the moment !

 

[Nat]

I was told around April, but that will likely be may/June the way the bike industry is at the moment !

Oh man. Can I fight my bike fever for another two to three months???

 

[MrFish]

Oh man. Can I fight my bike fever for another two to three months???

I know I’m in the same boat after my Bronson was stolen by some a**hole, stuck on the XC bike at the moment !

 

[WHALENARD]

This just happened 🤘

Question, are any of you guys running aftermarket or extra downtube protection in the bottom bracket area? The stock guard seems a little thin and I think I remember a pic buried in here somewhere where somebody cracked it in that area.