$14,000 is too much money for a bike with mediocre geometry. I know you're paying for the Pivot name, but that's absurd.

It's also interesting how many brands are jumping ship from Shimano to Bosch. I've heard bike brands are unhappy with the level of control Shimano has over their motors and the fact they're unserviceable and therefore completely reliant on Shimano. So it makes me happy that Shimano's moronic decision to make unserviceable motors is coming home to roost.

 

Good points. The $14-$16k pricing needs to end, especially with ebikes. There's a bit of gram shaving at that point, and it's not noticeable on ebikes.

I'm not sure 'unserviceable' is a key factor here because I don't think any of these top-selling motors are serviceable by the consumer or shop.

The key with Bosch is their latest speed and innovation in introducing new products to address what the market needs. That new SX motor seems to be a world-beater in the mid-powered category.

 

Yeah and the fact that Shimano motor/battery combos seem to be the worst at quite a bit of stuff... some of it may have gotten better with ep801 or just that it's not 2020 covid days anymore.

#1 Poor reliability
#2 Lower power and lower battery efficiency
#3 Obnoxious rattling
#4 Hasn't always had great support

 

A $1,500 component cannot be a throwaway. That's simply not tenable for the vast majority of people.

 

When I bought my Turbo Levo last year, I understood I only had a two year warranty for the motor and battery. My hope was in two years, the aftermarket repair industry would be robust. I imagine most repairs only involve replacing a few worn parts and with no warranty left, who cares if you open up the motor.

 

No chance I'll ever fork over even half that much money for any bicycle (pedal powered or motorized).

 

Then your comments are completely irrelevant….