
Mechanics Ask Walmart, Major Bike Manufacturers to Stop Making and Selling ‘Built-to-Fail’ Bikes
“The problem with budget bikes is everything. They’re literally built to fail.”

Well, Schwinns actually became junk, because the only thing that stayed the same was the brand name. The manufacturer just started slapping Schwinn logos on box store bikes.They want nothing to do with that because it only cheapens their brand . Schwinn was once known for making quality bikes but the moment they sold out to MalWart they immediately became known as junk.
The last shop where I worked that wouldn't touch these "built-to-fail" bikes, that decision had nothing to do with this. The problem was that it winds up costing as much, if not more, in actual shop hours to do a repair on bikes the shop sold vs. cheap BSOs. And because BSOs weren't manufactured well to begin with, with poor tolerances, it simply wasn't possible to get them working to the same standard. So, same cost for subpar results, and the shop doesn't cover its costs because it can't justify actually charging more for labor on a cheap bike? Even if a shop is willing to do this work, a lot of customers are unwilling to pay it because they can get a whole new one for less than the cost of the repairs. Even for fairly simple stuff, it doesn't take much for parts + labor to exceed the replacement cost of the whole bike, and the "repaired" one will still have other problems.
Are you replacing crap components with 'something a bit better'?We work on our fair share of BSO's and have managed a balance between getting them running reasonably well and earning a fair profit. Surprisingly people seem ok with paying nearly as much on repair as they did on the purchase and many are return customers.
Maybe people's attitudes are different where you live than where I was working, but it was a major problem. I only worked in one shop that refused to work on box store bikes, and they were far too busy to begin with. Even in '05, the service backlog would get over a month in the summertime. I suspect there was an element of "we make less money on these cheap bikes and we have more than enough business in other bikes to keep us open anyway" sort of a thing.We work on our fair share of BSO's and have managed a balance between getting them running reasonably well and earning a fair profit. Surprisingly people seem ok with paying nearly as much on repair as they did on the purchase and many are return customers.
when dealing with BSOs, that's generally the only option. You can't actually get components of the same quality level as OEM from any of the distributors that bike shops usually use.Are you replacing crap components with 'something a bit better'?
Are you replacing crap components with 'something a bit better'?
Oh I always go looking for used before new since it is the best bang for the buck if you are willing to do some wrenching on the bike. Over the years I have all the tools to do that.This thread tells me that buying used bikes is the better way to save money and get something decent. I understand wanting a nice, shiny new bike, but right now, with the starting price for a decent bike in the $500 neighborhood, telling someone "It's a better value than twenty years ago" really isn't going to work because many people still don't make enough for $500 to be feasible when that amount of money would put a lot of groceries on the table.
I get the reasons for pushing the envelope WRT bike design, but how many actually need a sub-5Kg bike?
Diamondback is making some decent bikes these days. They are solid value minded bikes for your average Mtn bikerMongoose and Diamondback put out crap bikes. Or for pure mountain biking they were crap.
Sort of like the same people that complain about production constantly moving overseas are the same ones who are wandering the aisles of Walmart and buying multiples of the thing they need instead of a single one produced in North America? Or the people who constantly rail about the evils of socialism or communism but cheer on the imposition of tariffs which artificially influence the free market by taking choice away from the populace?Ironically, those who are the first to complain about consumerism and capitalism luxuriate in the products that are a result of them, living better than kings from only a hundred years ago. iPhone? Check. Flat screen TV? Check. Air conditioning? Check. Tesla? Check, or at least aspirational. So. much. irony.
Everything is fair game, honestly. Plastic brake levers go pretty quickly. Pot metal derailleurs can't take much of a bump before they lose integrity. I've seen plenty of failed clamps (usually stem/bar interface). And while it usually takes more for the frame to go (usually outright abuse, because the bike is viewed as a toy and not a transportation tool that one should care for), I've seen them rust through and fail, also. Usually with the frame, the problem is that it's just not welded straight. Very low QC. The wheels don't line up together. Or the rear end is so wonky that it's impossible for the shifting to actually work right. And you don't figure that out until you've fiddled with adjusting the drivetrain for awhile, when you can't get it to shift right. It gets worse if the owner has "upgraded" the drivetrain at some point, because the more cogs you put in the rear and the more precise the function of the components, the more glaring it becomes that the frame is the problem.First thing to consider is what is failing and why?
I highly doubt the frame is cracking or the cranks and control parts are failing.
It comes to research, does it? How much research do you expect people to invest for a $100 bike? A big retailer like Walmart can actually (and often does) dictate to manufacturers and suppliers what they want. If they have a problem with a product, then they can demand improvements. They're big enough of a seller that they can demand a modicum of quality and serviceability without blowing up the costs. They have more power over the products that come from the overseas factories from multinational corporations than most. If consumers demand improvements (which is exactly what this petition is), then Walmart can exert some of its purchasing power to make some of these things happen.So what is failing?
Another issue is supply chain shortages causing prices to go up & the standard 6 speed freewheel beginning obsolete and requiring an entirely new rear wheel....
This comes down to doing research, on the consumers part. But in this case the retailer is being blamed... Does that mean coca cola or a fast food chain fault if you get fat?
Or Amazon is at fault for selling some crappy electronics?
People like sugar, fat and shiny bikes even if it's not good for them.
Both Mongoose and DB had titanium frames from Sandvik, The 95 DB Axis TT Pro was fully polished and is one of the sexiest Ti frames I've seen.Mongoose and Diamondback put out crap bikes. Or for pure mountain biking they were crap.
At the end of the day most people are not going to fork out over $200 for a bike unless they are upper middle class or are enthusiasts. How many of us owed a bike which was worth more than our car? The value is not there no matter how legitimate our argument is. It is because most Americans can not legitimately justify such a purchase economically. Considering the limited use these bikes have, it’s a sound decision. Now if someone takes it off road repeatedly and survives[emoji6], that person will find a way to continue biking. When I was in school the LBS employees would groan when I would bring in my low spec Rockhopper. I was terrible. I would penny pinch to no end. I would also pump them for repair info so I could do it myself. Now I’m the guy that I saw one day in the shop eying a very expensive road bike. He commented that back in the day he had the legs to ride that bike the way it was meant to but not the cash. Now he had the cash. He bought the bike. I’m that guy now. Except I never had the legs…….
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Evidently you have not spent much time in the pity party that is Reddit, where everyone uses their $1000 phone to blame their loserhood on capitalism...and boomers.Exactly. Most people who point out problems associated with capitalism are not demonizing the entire concept of capitalism.
Cannondale sold bikes at Costco. I bought my son a M500 from there because no LBS could get a 14" bike and really couldn't be bothered to.Intense recently put out the 951 series of affordable full suspension that they sold at Costco, and I haven’t heard anyone get uppity about the company because of it. I really think the problems with Mongoose and Schwinn is that their quality went way downhill.
There is a world of difference between Costco and Walmart. A lot of the people with Costco memberships would never set foot in a Walmart.Intense recently put out the 951 series of affordable full suspension that they sold at Costco, and I haven’t heard anyone get uppity about the company because of it. I really think the problems with Mongoose and Schwinn is that their quality went way downhill.
Not sure what kind of high falutin people you hang out with, but I know a lot of people who shop at both Costco and Walmart.There is a world of difference between Costco and Walmart. A lot of the people with Costco memberships would never set foot in a Walmart.