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Late 90's KHS steel Mountain Bikes - is steel real?

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So... "Steel is Real" that's a phrase I've heard often while working at a bike shop in the late 90's, but it never really meant anything to me, because I never rode steel bikes. Back then I thought aluminum - framed bikes were so cool - those large diameter tubes really appealed to me.
Fast forward 25 years and I got a KHS Comp frame, built in Taiwan from US-made True Temper OX3 butted tubing. The 17 inch frame weighs 4.5lbs and seems to come from 1997 model year... I know that earlier KHS Montana frames/bikes seem to be the popular/sought after models, but are the later frames any better or worse? If so - why?
After building it up, I've had an opportunity to ride the bike on and off road, and I think I understand the appeal of steel vs aluminum or even vs. carbon. There is that dampened, composed feel to the bike that is perhaps absent from other frame materials. Kind of hard to describe - but it's a solid feel.
So while I understand that KHS does not come up on a list of the most exclusive steel frames - is it fair to say that a Comp or Team models from that era, offer a decent representation of what a good steel-framed bike should feel like?
The bike pictured below was the initial build I did, but ultimately the wheels are too flexible under my weight - so they were replaced... the weight is a bit over 24lbs.
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Yeah, I loved most of my steel bikes. Rode them exclusively for a while, other than a few full suspension bikes I had.
But I just bought my first aluminum mountain frame in almost 2 decades, and I have to say I'm so impressed by how far other materials have come in the ride quality dept.

As for KHS< I really wish i'ld held onto this bike. KHS Aero Comp frame, Reynolds 853 main triangle. It was great.
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KHS Montana was mountain biking magazine bike of the year for 1996 if I recall correctly.
Good bikes back then indeed.

Their fade comes b/c they use off the catelog frames. Look at their dh, enduro bikes. Is the same as bikesdirect.com. Their ebike is also still using the pregnant battery hump. Zero development.
 
#4 ·
I worked for a KHS dealer back in the mid 90's and we all loved their bikes. I even owned one of their steel hardtails for several years, great riding steel frame. But we couldn't give them away to customers! They just didn't sell which was a shame because they really were great bikes.
 
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But we couldn't give them away to customers!
I always thought that something about the name KHS made it sound cheap. Not sure if was the "K" in the name like "K-mart" or being a type of tla - initial based or something else but, imho, the brand name didn't hold enough recognition (IBM) or swagger (HBO. MTV) to grab you. Weird, I know.

Edit: nice bike btw.
 
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They made some great True Temper steel frames back in the day. There were a lot of great True Temper frames in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I typically rode Tange Prestige and Ritchey Logic steel frames back then, but I understand the True Temper frames were supposed to have a similar ride. I still ride steel bikes, but now my steel bikes are Reynolds 853 frame.
 
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I still have my '93 KHS Montana Pro in pieces in the basement. Loved that bike and it was my first true mountain bike. It came with a XTR/XT mix, Rockshox Mag 21s and rode great. The forks are toast and I took it apart to rebuild but just never got around to it and it's super hard to find a reasonably priced 1" steerer now a days that takes cantis.
 
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I still have my '93 KHS Montana Pro in pieces in the basement. Loved that bike and it was my first true mountain bike. It came with a XTR/XT mix, Rockshox Mag 21s and rode great. The forks are toast and I took it apart to rebuild but just never got around to it and it's super hard to find a reasonably priced 1" steerer now a days that takes cantis.
I might have one. It’s a Judy XC.
 
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I had a ProST frame that I raced for a couple of seasons and then turned it into a singlespeed with a White Industries eccentric hub. Great frame, KHS always had nice geometry and the True Temper tubing was sweet. Never cracked mine but damn, the elastomer kept making fart noises no matter how often I took it apart and cleaned it and slathered it with Slick Honey.

I agree, KHS (which stood for Knowledge Health Strength if anyone was wondering) did not get the respect they deserved.

Grumps
 
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The shop I worked at carried Marin, Iron Horse, Kona, and Breezer bikes. I never really heard much about KHS so I'm glad to hear they made frames that were better than the brand would suggest.
Other than great paint jobs and craftsmanship, what would be a difference in ride quality between a mass produced (but higher end) steel bike vs. a small US builder?
 
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The shop I worked at carried Marin, Iron Horse, Kona, and Breezer bikes. I never really heard much about KHS so I'm glad to hear they made frames that were better than the brand would suggest.
Other than great paint jobs and craftsmanship, what would be a difference in ride quality between a mass produced (but higher end) steel bike vs. a small US builder?
If all things are the same (geometry, tubeset, ect.) there isn't any difference. I owned 90's made steel Fuji, KHS, Trek, and Bontrager frames and there was some difference mainly due to geometry and tubing size. All four used True Temper tubing but the Trek used oversized so it was the stiffest and heaviest and the Bontrager used slightly different geometry and fork offset so it rode a little different. But all four were good riding bikes and were well made.
 
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Those skinny steel tubes sure are skinny on those KHSes. They looked anorexic when they came out compared to the large diameter alloy bikes of the time too.

It was a weapon as a singlespeed. My wife has a Team ST too, the elastomer was replaced with a cut down fork spring by the original owner. I currently ride a Funk La Ruta titanium softail, I'm a bit of a softail tragic!

Grumps