[cookie70]

Got my banshee back out on its first run with repaired EXT and new CSU on the fork. I went with 44mm offset from 51mm, combined with putting a 40mm stem from 50mm and the bike rides amazing, so much more composed on the front end. Had a ball riding new local bike park!

Currently running the mullet in low setting but going to try it back on high setting to see how it feels, really impressed with the 3.2 frame also!

 

[Wimbeest]

Just wondering if any of you experimented with different shim stack configurations?
Currently on a RS superdeluxe with L/L tune (for transition patrol). Just serviced it myself and found out how easy it was to change the shimstack myself.... but I have no experience or knowledge on the different tunes VS KS2 platform VS my weight and style of riding. Any insight is welcome! Thanks

 

[evasive]

Was the Titan's leverage curve ever posted in this thread? I thought it was but then couldn't find it. I know Keith shared the Prime's back in the day, because I have that in my geometry spreadsheet, but not the Titan's. I ask b/c a friend of mine has recently opened his own suspension shop, and I'd like to share that with him.

 

[Theo66]

Was the Titan's leverage curve ever posted in this thread? I thought it was but then couldn't find it. I know Keith shared the Prime's back in the day, because I have that in my geometry spreadsheet, but not the Titan's. I ask b/c a friend of mine has recently opened his own suspension shop, and I'd like to share that with him.

Banshee Technology — Banshee Bikes

www.bansheebikes.com

 

[evasive]

Banshee Technology — Banshee Bikes

www.bansheebikes.com

Thanks.

 

[jorobot]

Hello! New to the forum but this thread has been a big inspiration in building up my Titan.

In an attempt to find out why I bottom out on drops >1m, I started studying the leverage curve, posted by Theo66 (as well as his earlier comment on the bottom-out stop on CCDBcoil), and I can’t get my head around it.

For reference: I mostly ride enduro trails in the Belgian and French Ardennes. I’m 83kg in full kit and run a 475lbs coil on a CCDB kitsuma. I got the settings dialled so the bike feels great on all other terrain.

On the banshee website, the leverage curve for the titan states a ratio of 2.19-2.20 @ 155mm of fork travel. But if I divide 155mm by said leverage ratio, I would need 70mm of stroke to get there.

The 205*65 only has 65mm, obviously. To Theo66’s earlier point, if I add another 10mm for the bottom-out bumper of the CCDB coil (even if that compresses to maybe 4mm), I’m far from getting 155mm of travel at the rear wheel.

Presuming I effectively have about 60mm of shock stroke available, that would translate to a tad over 130mm of travel at the rear wheel (2.15 leverage ratio reading the graph). In essence: you bottom out before the leverage curve becomes more progressive (which is supposed to help prevent bottom-out in the first place).

thanks for reading, and poking holes in my logic... I also emailed banshee for help. Cheers!

 

[menuoption]

On the banshee website, the leverage curve for the titan states a ratio of 2.19-2.20 @ 155mm of fork travel. But if I divide 155mm by said leverage ratio, I would need 70mm of stroke to get there.

The ratio you're quoting is just instantaneous ratio around the end of travel. It varies from nearly 3 at the beginning of stroke down around 2.15 then rises slightly to about 2.2 at the end. So at the beginning the wheel is moving more relative to the shock than it is at the end.

 

[springs]

Hello! New to the forum but this thread has been a big inspiration in building up my Titan.

In an attempt to find out why I bottom out on drops >1m, I started studying the leverage curve, posted by Theo66 (as well as his earlier comment on the bottom-out stop on CCDBcoil), and I can’t get my head around it.

For reference: I mostly ride enduro trails in the Belgian and French Ardennes. I’m 83kg in full kit and run a 475lbs coil on a CCDB kitsuma. I got the settings dialled so the bike feels great on all other terrain.

On the banshee website, the leverage curve for the titan states a ratio of 2.19-2.20 @ 155mm of fork travel. But if I divide 155mm by said leverage ratio, I would need 70mm of stroke to get there.

The 205*65 only has 65mm, obviously. To Theo66’s earlier point, if I add another 10mm for the bottom-out bumper of the CCDB coil (even if that compresses to maybe 4mm), I’m far from getting 155mm of travel at the rear wheel.

Presuming I effectively have about 60mm of shock stroke available, that would translate to a tad over 130mm of travel at the rear wheel (2.15 leverage ratio reading the graph). In essence: you bottom out before the leverage curve becomes more progressive (which is supposed to help prevent bottom-out in the first place).

thanks for reading, and poking holes in my logic... I also emailed banshee for help. Cheers!

The end of the leverage curve is regressive so that'll help to get your unattainable last 5mm

 

[Theo66]

On the banshee website, the leverage curve for the titan states a ratio of 2.19-2.20 @ 155mm of fork travel. But if I divide 155mm by said leverage ratio, I would need 70mm of stroke to get there.

As menuoption says, you can't divide the end lev. ratio with the total of travel to find a shock stroke. The wheel travel at any point is really what the leverage graph from Banshee dictates , i.e. @65mm of stroke you get 155mm of travel. It's just my opinion from what I've seen and measured, as well as heard from others that the CCDB bumper is a bit large for this stroke, and the base of the bumper is contained within a metal ring so it can't splash out like a pancake. The function of the damper itself is excellent and if installed on a bike with a ton of travel I don't think I would mind.
But the Titan chassis is so capable down chunder that I wanted to have most of its 155mm on tap and got annoyed that I could find the bumper on occasion going fast through rocks. Got an EXT now with hydraulic bottom out instead and don't have this issue at all. Regarding drops though, I don't think the CC bumper should be a problem.

I think I've posted somewhere before but I'll repost here since I think it's interesting. Pictures are taken at different times so you can see differences in measuring format but you can see the shaft length of CCDB is 65mm with the bumper encircled by the metal ring on spring clip that limits expansion.
Then you can see the "65mm" DVO jadeX that actually has 70.5mm of shaft to accommodate for the calculated bumper compression.
The spring clip was not on, but its contact to bumper was exactly where the measuring caliper rests, and was also completely flat allowing for bumper pancakes 🥞.

 

[ocnLogan]

Couple quick questions. Maybe Keith knows, or maybe someone else?

Does anyone know if the newer EXT eStoria fits on the Titan? I know the Storia fits, as its been offered for a while as a stock shock option. But the eStoria is has its damper turned 90 degrees, so I'm not sure it will fit. Just curious so I know what my options are .

Also, I seem to remember that the longer dropouts increased the travel for the Titan, but I can't recall what the official number is. Anyone know that one offhand?

 

[mjw]

Hey, I'm thinking about changing my kitsuma for another shock.
I bought a reverse components travel indicator, took out my spring and crashed as hard as I could with all my weight on the rear of my bike.
Contrary to what others have said (and in accordance to what my mechanic had told me) the double barrel's shaft length specifically, in combination with the bumper arrangement eats up a good chunk of the end travel.
After a good hammering, about 6mm millimeters of shaft were left over or 13mm of wheel travel. That point feels like a firm "go no further" spot that would result in a good kick on the trail. I know "amount of travel" is hardly the be all end all, but if I wanted a 140ish mm bike I would have gotten the Spitfire!
So, I know the previous FAST Fenix won't fit, but does anyone know if the new one (FAST Fenix EVO with the vertical piggyback) will? What other high end options would you suggest?

I am a prospective Titan owner - trying to decide between the Titan and Rune. This chat is very interesting to me. currently own a Spitfire, and have a Kitsuma Coil in it, that I just ditched exactly for this reason. The bottom out bumper is tall and very firm, and I feel as though I am being cut short on travel. I've been battling this for some time now, and just tapped out and installed a Float X.

 

[builttoride]

Couple quick questions. Maybe Keith knows, or maybe someone else?

Does anyone know if the newer EXT eStoria fits on the Titan? I know the Storia fits, as its been offered for a while as a stock shock option. But the eStoria is has its damper turned 90 degrees, so I'm not sure it will fit. Just curious so I know what my options are .

Also, I seem to remember that the longer dropouts increased the travel for the Titan, but I can't recall what the official number is. Anyone know that one offhand?

The eStoria will not give adaquate clearance on our frames at bottom out... plus not sure why you'd want an ebike specific shock anyway? The storia works really well if you want a high traction planted feel.

The longer dropouts do increasde the travel slightly due to geometry, but only by about 3mm, not significant really.

 

[ocnLogan]

The eStoria will not give adaquate clearance on our frames at bottom out... plus not sure why you'd want an ebike specific shock anyway? The storia works really well if you want a high traction planted feel.

The longer dropouts do increasde the travel slightly due to geometry, but only by about 3mm, not significant really.

Thanks Keith. I assumed as much, but wanted to confirm.

FWIW, I think EXT buried the lead a bit with the eStoria. Their initial marketing was towards eBikes, but after talking with them in person, it appears the damper is the one they're going to use in everything moving forward (its on their prototype shock as well). So it seems to be just a wholesale upgrade.

Of all the features you can go read about in the press releases, the only things that I thought I might really care about is that eStoria reportedly has a larger adjustment range with the clickers (something the normal Storia isn't known for), and has adjustable HBO (vs fixed in the normal Storia). There are a bunch of other things too, but those two were why I was asking. As its basically a mix of the Arma's adjustable HBO, with the lock from the Storia, plus larger damping adjustment range.

And thanks for confirming the travel bit. For some reason I thought it was more, but when I find myself considering the longer dropouts, it isn't for the extra travel anyway.

Cheers .

 

[builttoride]

I stand corrected having just had latest models to check compatibility supplied by EXT... there is clearance for the eStoria on all frames. Appologies for previous post, was based on a prior design.

 

[rustyspade]

ok fellas i have a dilemma cant decide between going air Mara Pro or coil Kitsuma, never used cane creek coils before heard there fantastic, but i have used the Mara pro on my last bike and mate favorite air shock ever! leaning toward a Mara pro again....

 

[springs]

ok fellas i have a dilemma cant decide between going air Mara Pro or coil Kitsuma, never used cane creek coils before heard there fantastic, but i have used the Mara pro on my last bike and mate favorite air shock ever! leaning toward a Mara pro again....

Both good shocks that will work well on the Titan. I say just hit that credit card and get them both

 

[zhendo]

ok fellas i have a dilemma cant decide between going air Mara Pro or coil Kitsuma, never used cane creek coils before heard there fantastic, but i have used the Mara pro on my last bike and mate favorite air shock ever! leaning toward a Mara pro again....

I am a big coil advocate over here, I think the Titan's leverage curve is fantastic for a coil shock. If you're comfortable with the added weight, I'd throw the money at a coil and splurge for a nice lightweight spring once you have your spring rate sorted.

 

[shapethings]

Sprindex is the way to go for the spring. I’m running much lower than online calculators put me at.

 

[builttoride]

Sprindex is the way to go for the spring. I’m running much lower than online calculators put me at.

That's interesting, I normally recommend higher spring rate than most online calculators to achieve the correct sag... which for a coil shock on the titan is: 22-28% (12.3-15.5mm of shock compression)

(Our top racers generally run around 20% sag fyi)

Is the sprindex increasing the spring rate enough to achieve this sag range? I think they are very clever little devices that offer nice adjustability to dial in the perfect setup, but ultimately starting spring rate is still main factor with sprindex just fine tuning.

 

[evasive]

That's interesting, I normally recommend higher spring rate than most online calculators to achieve the correct sag... which for a coil shock on the titan is: 22-28% (12.3-15.5mm of shock compression)

(Our top racers generally run around 20% sag fyi)

Hi Keith- just to confirm- is that sag you note above (12.3-15.5 mm) correct? The geometry chart (both V3 and V3.2) states 15.5-17.8 mm.