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Discussion starter · #41 ·
Aaaand, the first hanger is ruined. Tried tapping with M3 tap and it just snapped (the tap, in each hole). So clearly this stainless is rather harder than normal.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
M3 threads retapped. I think this material is much harder than normal stainless you buy in bar form. I had to go super slow with the tap, a few degrees at a time, then back. with lots of oil and it still got very hot.

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Discussion starter · #45 ·
Threads chased. Aligned it with a park tool pretty easily. This frame has wonky drop outs so you need to align it straight off, which is partly why I wanted to try a stainless one. It should still bend in an impact, but it can withstand several realignments before going in the bin. The wheels mfg and pilo ones would crack before you even got to the first ride.

So, not quite "print and use" but pretty close.

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M3 threads retapped. I think this material is much harder than normal stainless you buy in bar form. I had to go super slow with the tap, a few degrees at a time, then back. with lots of oil and it still got very hot.
Maybe it's not the 316L they advertise? I know that 17-4 is quite common for the SLM process. Maybe they're substituting?
 
Discussion starter · #47 ·
Maybe it's not the 316L they advertise? I know that 17-4 is quite common for the SLM process. Maybe they're substituting?
No I dont think so. it is not hard like 35hrc, it is just not the typical soft 316 you get in bar form. The material datasheet supports it being stronger and harder than normal 316 bar. So it has some form of heat treat.

17-4 is a whole different level, the cheap tap I have would not likely even cut it. I have more prints on the way for a different project with finer features, we'll see how they look.
 
No I dont think so. it is not hard like 35hrc, it is just not the typical soft 316 you get in bar form. The material datasheet supports it being stronger and harder than normal 316 bar. So it has some form of heat treat.

17-4 is a whole different level, the cheap tap I have would not likely even cut it. I have more prints on the way for a different project with finer features, we'll see how they look.
Cool. I've actually drawn up some lugs to send in for printing. Was gonna weld up a frame this fall, but this is too tempting to miss out on.

The quotes I've sent in so far have had some weird discrepancies though. Mass is coming out as substantially heavier than the weight as calculated by Solidworks. I wonder if there's a bug in the quoting process, or if they are calculating some waste material? I did place 2.5mm drain holes in any voids, and checked for hidden pockets, so I am pretty certain my models are correct. It's still so cheap that I'll happily eat the cost of the discrepancy (full overbuilt 44/56 headtube assembly, including cable routing, and substantial tube overlap is <$100 :O ).
 
Discussion starter · #49 ·
Cool. I've actually drawn up some lugs to send in for printing. Was gonna weld up a frame this fall, but this is too tempting to miss out on.

The quotes I've sent in so far have had some weird discrepancies though. Mass is coming out as substantially heavier than the weight as calculated by Solidworks. I wonder if there's a bug in the quoting process, or if they are calculating some waste material? I did place 2.5mm drain holes in any voids, and checked for hidden pockets, so I am pretty certain my models are correct. It's still so cheap that I'll happily eat the cost of the discrepancy (full overbuilt 44/56 headtube assembly, including cable routing, and substantial tube overlap is <$100 :O ).
Make sure the scale is right. It should tell you the bounds and volume (on jlcpcb anyway). Make sure it matches what you expect.

One thing I got hit with today is they no longer allow multiple parts on one print. (connected patterns). Which is weird cause the hangers were connected. This wont matter with the lugs as they are well beyond the 35 gram min price weight, but something to watch for if you do a hanger or some light dropouts.
 
Make sure the scale is right. It should tell you the bounds and volume (on jlcpcb anyway). Make sure it matches what you expect.

One thing I got hit with today is they no longer allow multiple parts on one print. (connected patterns). Which is weird cause the hangers were connected. This wont matter with the lugs as they are well beyond the 35 gram min price weight, but something to watch for if you do a hanger or some light dropouts.
Yep, dimensions match up perfectly, just weight is off.
I've designed for SRAM UDH, so other than the drive-side dropout, everything is well over that limit. Even drive-side is still 60ish grams. The whole frame is gonna be kinda heavy actually. I have concerns about anisotropic effects from the 3d printing process, aside from 316L being substantially weaker than the chromo tubing, so I've really increased wall thickness.
 
Discussion starter · #51 ·
Yep, dimensions match up perfectly, just weight is off.
I've designed for SRAM UDH, so other than the drive-side dropout, everything is well over that limit. Even drive-side is still 60ish grams. The whole frame is gonna be kinda heavy actually. I have concerns about anisotropic effects from the 3d printing process, aside from 316L being substantially weaker than the chromo tubing, so I've really increased wall thickness.
A regular lug only acts as a carrier for a tube to tube braze. So they can be thin (1-1.5mm) and should be fine. Likewise cast 304/316 bb shells have been done by others (lewelyn, sachs, etc) so we have people to "copy" from to get into the right area. When I get around to mine, it will be a fairly conventional lugged structure, but with modern features not found in lug sets.

A head tube is a different animal. You'll need to roughly match the thicknesses you might use in 7075 although brazing could anneal it back to more of a 6061 strength. Same goes for drop outs. paragon uses 17-4, so you can't simply copy theirs.

Will be interesting to see how it works in practice. I HAVE seen some people using it, but they are all show models. The only ones I've seen for sale have used ti. (robot/atherton, charge, bastion and a few others).
 
A regular lug only acts as a carrier for a tube to tube braze. So they can be thin (1-1.5mm) and should be fine. Likewise cast 304/316 bb shells have been done by others (lewelyn, sachs, etc) so we have people to "copy" from to get into the right area. When I get around to mine, it will be a fairly conventional lugged structure, but with modern features not found in lug sets.

A head tube is a different animal. You'll need to roughly match the thicknesses you might use in 7075 although brazing could anneal it back to more of a 6061 strength. Same goes for drop outs. paragon uses 17-4, so you can't simply copy theirs.

Will be interesting to see how it works in practice. I HAVE seen some people using it, but they are all show models. The only ones I've seen for sale have used ti. (robot/atherton, charge, bastion and a few others).
Yep. Preaching to the choir on all points. My biggest concern isn't actually a full crack/failure, but ovalization and distortion from repeated hits. 316 is pretty ductile, and if I've "over-optimized", I might end up wrecking the headset interface. I guess we'll see. Hopefully I am right about that assumption, and keep all my teeth ;)

Side note: Just for laughs, I sent my HT design into Xometry for a comparable quote. It was $1500USD. :O
 
I’ve been messing around with 3D stuff lately too—had a moment where I made a custom action figure of myself through my3dfigure.com (looked hilarious but kinda cool). That got me thinking more seriously about printing functional parts, not just fun stuff. Your lug idea sounds promising, especially if you can print some simple pins or tabs into the part to line everything up on a flat board.
 
Discussion starter · #55 ·
I messed around with 3D printed stainless parts before and ran into cracking too—probably from cooling stress. Preheating or post-print heat treatment might help relieve some of that stress.
What type of cracking? What printing service / grade?
There are lots of people not using this on bikes with seemingly no issues.
 
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