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ok - i just got some Nokon Carbon shift-sets. i already took them apart and here is the detailed analysis. no comments on performance or pricing or whatsoever. just the facts:

NOKON-Carbon for MTB-shifting (what you get)

1 CD-Box as packaging

1 Package" Shifting front to cablestop": 29,4g
2x 95cm liner
2x 28,5cm Carbon-outers

1 Package "Shifting over seattube": 15,3g
1x 113cm liner
1x 14,5cm Carbon-outers

1 Package "Shifting rear": 24,2g
1x 130cm liner
1x 51,5cm Carbon-outers

1 Package with different endcaps,frame savers and some carbonsegments

2 shift wires

Total liner: 433cm (in 4 pieces)
Total Carbon-Outers: 123cm (in 4 units)
Total weight of 433cm liner + 123cm Carbon-Outer: 69g

weight liner 113cm: 9,8g...............>100cm liner: 8,7g

.....>433cm liner = 37,7g
.....>123cm Carbon-Outer = 69g- 37,7 = 31,3g.............>100cm Carbon-Outer = 25,4g

I hope everyone could follow my mathematics.....i didn't want to take out all individual segments also because there isn't 100cm in the set anyway....

so all detailed weights:

100cm Nokon Carbon: 34,1g (liner + Carbon-Outer)

100cm Nokon liner: 8,7g
100cm Nokon Carbon-Outer: 25,4g

some thoughts on my parts:
-i like the packaging. nice idea.
-I always thought Nokons get mounted with ongoing liner. this can't be done with the rather short pieces you get in the set.
-if you have continous housings on your bike you will need elongation kits. the total of 95cm Carbon-Outers won't do much on such a bike...
 

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mountainforce said:
SO im glad i got my Alligator I links. They are 27 grams a metre, cost WAY less and probably perform better.

So whats the point of the carbons then lol??!! Granted - they would look killer on a carbon frame, but so would bright silver I-links :D
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My Tune housing is even lighter than the Alligator stuff !!!!!!!!!

Wahooooooooooo !!
 
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snowdrifter said:
I'll take some standard Shimano housing, thank you..
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Yeah, but at least the carbon Nokons are almost as light as that.

Still nothing beats the Gore UL I've got on at 22g/m :D (cue Nino pointing out how poorly it functions according to the German mags - well it's still working just fine for me after more than a year).
 
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Posting useful info doesn't get you a free pass on the forum rules of not using it to advertise stuff you're selling.

Here's some useful info for the newbs verging on wasting money with nino, shimano SIS SP 4mm shifter housing including plastic end caps is 20g for a 24 inch long section. This stuff is fully sealed and includes the liner in the housing. That's 1g per 1.2 inches, a meter is 40 inches... 40/1.4=33.3 grams. So its lighter than this Nokon carbon stuff, and it comes free with the aftermarket packing on most mid to upper end shimano shifters (I got mine with some 24 speed Bar-End shifters). If its good enough for shimano to spec it with XTR and DuraAce and put it on the bikes of top TdF riders, world cup mountain bike pros and so forth, it should be good enough for the rest of you.

Of course Nino can't make a buck from it so he'd never post about it.
 
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DeeEight said:
Posting useful info doesn't get you a free pass on the forum rules of not using it to advertise stuff you're selling.

Here's some useful info for the newbs verging on wasting money with nino, shimano SIS SP 4mm shifter housing including plastic end caps is 20g for a 24 inch long section. This stuff is fully sealed and includes the liner in the housing. That's 1g per 1.2 inches, a meter is 40 inches... 40/1.4=33.3 grams. So its lighter than this Nokon carbon stuff, and it comes free with the aftermarket packing on most mid to upper end shimano shifters (I got mine with some 24 speed Bar-End shifters). If its good enough for shimano to spec it with XTR and DuraAce and put it on the bikes of top TdF riders, world cup mountain bike pros and so forth, it should be good enough for the rest of you.

Of course Nino can't make a buck from it so he'd never post about it.
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sorry - this is no useful info as shimano SIS cables are just plain and simple. not what people in here are interested in.

people were eagerly waiting for these Nokon Carbons all over the world. here's the 1st detailed view on them !! as i mentioned above no comment on function or sense or stupidness....you should know better what i think of them anyway !

i show details no other has shown yet. it's now everyones free choice to choose whatever product he likes. we all know that 0815 Shimano is lighter and costs only a couple of bucks. but there's still guys interested in these and they ALL thought these would be killer light....yet we all know which ones are much lighter still.

once again it's everyones choice - at least now they all know what they get!!!
 
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I would like the 0815 Shimano stuff I just wish they made it in continuous form. Buy a big box of it. BMXers were using thin brake cable/housing for bar spins I thought but I couldn't find anything conclusive on the weight.

Maybe kcnc will come up with some miraculous product. Seems like there is room for invention and wires/housing is a place that can yield significant wait savings.

I've got my Powercordz shifting and braking waiting - now I just need some housing or liner that works with it well and is light too. I keep hoping for a cheap simple solution that allows for continuous housing.
 
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There we go folks, its not useful info and people don't want it. People only want stuff he's posting about (which he's selling also) and only stuff he posts about is useful. Aren't you glad that he's making the decisions for you? And all this time I thought only germans made good nazis. Apparently some swiss do a fair impersonation also.

Slobber....Shimano does offer the housing in longer (bulk format) lengths for sale to bike shops, manufacturers, etc. Most bike shops which deal with QBP can order the stuff that way. It gets expensive though.... its about TWO DOLLARS per meter. ;)

I'm actually using non-shimano branded 4mm housing myself... the "sealed" part is really to do with the O-rings in the plastic end caps, and you can get those seperately by the bottle, and the "generic" 4mm housing is everybit as stiff as the shimano stuff, only comes in black unfortunetly (the shimano stuff you can get in different colours, you see this on premium road bikes sometimes more than mountain bikers where the housing is usually always black or maybe sometimes silver/grey), and is about 25% cheaper. One sec, I'll go cut a exactly 1m long piece and weigh it....

Tada... just under 32g/meter for the generic stuff without the end caps pressed on (I say just under cause my Pelouze digital scale doesn't give results to a tenth of a gram, but when i dropped two end caps onto it with the housing, the reading went from 31 to 32 grams). I've been building bikes with this myself since mid-summer, and as my own bikes get housing replaced due to wear/dirt/etc I'm switching the shifter housing to this stuff. Oh and this stuff also has a liner in it.
 
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I need some weight refs

DeeEight said:
Slobber....Shimano does offer the housing in longer (bulk format) lengths for sale to bike shops, manufacturers, etc. Most bike shops which deal with QBP can order the stuff that way. It gets expensive though.... its about TWO DOLLARS per meter. ;)
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If I go into a bike shop and ask for a specific Shimano housing in longer lengths they will think I'm nuts. Typical biker dudes will wonder why the hell I don't buy their standard heavier stuff. I suppose I should call around all the ww shops.

I think we all need some weights for reference - yes I had to gank it from one of ninos posts. I wish we could get a sticky on housing/wire weights. How much do clarks prelubes weigh? They are fairly light and cheap. I see sis on this list but not the 0815 DA stuff is that the same.

Cables + Housings:

BRAKE:
Tune "plastic"5mm: 18g/m
Tune "plastic" 6mm : 21.5g/m
Aligators Cables: 27g/m
Nokon: 35.5g/m (metal outer 29.5g/m + inner liner 6.5g/m)
Tune "Aluminum" : 37g/m
Powercordz: 45g/m
Jagwire: 50g/m
Shimano: 53.0g/m
Gore Ride-on: 54g/m
Gore: 57g/m
Shimano XTR : 58.5g/m

SHIFT:
Gleitec U3 : 12.5g/m
Tune "plastic": 18/m
Aligator Cables: 27g/m
Jagwire: 32.0g/m
Shimano SIS : 34.0g/m
Nokon: 35.5g/m (metal outer 29.5g/m + inner liner 6.5g/m)
Transfil "flying snake": 36g/m
Powercordz: 39g/m
Gore Ride-on: 54g/m

INNER CABLES:
Powercordz Shift cable: 4.25g/m
Powercordz Brake Cable: 3.1g/m

XTR Shift Cable : 9g/m
XTR Brake Cable : 13g/m

Looking at this list and considering all the super light stuff is not available or not in continuous form I don't see much in the way of weight saving for me. I'm using Transfil for shifting, clarks for shifting and nokon for brakes. If I went to I-links and p-cordz I bet I could save 50 grams. Never used the shifting p-cordz before. There's got to be a better solution on the way and it's tough when you see the light weights of the wierd stuff and are faced with continuous lines on your bike :madman: I'd be happy with 0815 and p-cordz if it worked.:p
 
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Slobberdoggy said:
If I go into a bike shop and ask for a specific Shimano housing in longer lengths they will think I'm nuts. Typical biker dudes will wonder why the hell I don't buy their standard heavier stuff. I suppose I should call around all the ww shops.
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Ah yes, what shimano now calls their "extra stiff" housing, of 5mm diameter, which they don't actually include with shifters anymore. But the tooling for it is paid for so they continue to have it made and most shops order it as replacement housing for when servicing bikes.

How much do clarks prelubes weigh? They are fairly light and cheap. I see sis on this list but not the 0815 DA stuff is that the same.
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Alas my clark's housing is vintage stuff, 6mm brake cable casings with teflon coated 2mm stainless cables with the old school oversized barrel ends. Like 1980s vintage MTB stuff from the 4-finger lever days in neon green and pink colours.

I run the generic 4mm SIS compatible shifter stuff now and teflon-coated 1.2 cables and generally a generic 5mm SLR compatible cable casing (its the same damn factory without the shimano stamp on it, in black only and cheaper....) with teflon-coated 1.6mm cables.
 
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isn't it funny...

Slobberdoggy said:
Cables + Housings:

BRAKE:
Tune "plastic"5mm: 18g/m
Tune "plastic" 6mm : 21.5g/m
Aligators Cables: 27g/m
Nokon: 35.5g/m (metal outer 29.5g/m + inner liner 6.5g/m)
Tune "Aluminum" : 37g/m
Powercordz: 45g/m
Jagwire: 50g/m
Shimano: 53.0g/m
Gore Ride-on: 54g/m
Gore: 57g/m
Shimano XTR : 58.5g/m

SHIFT:
Gleitec U3 : 12.5g/m
Tune "plastic": 18/m
Aligator Cables: 27g/m
Jagwire: 32.0g/m
Shimano SIS : 34.0g/m
Nokon: 35.5g/m (metal outer 29.5g/m + inner liner 6.5g/m)
Transfil "flying snake": 36g/m
Powercordz: 39g/m
Gore Ride-on: 54g/m

INNER CABLES:
Powercordz Shift cable: 4.25g/m
Powercordz Brake Cable: 3.1g/m

XTR Shift Cable : 9g/m
XTR Brake Cable : 13g/m
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isn't it funny that you are referring to MY list??

so who is the one doing all the work for you guys out there, giving you all the information you need to choose what you like?

there is a cable-system on the market which back then when i did the list wasn't on the market....it weighs just 27g/m. no, i won't tell it's name as there's guys blaming me for selling them...

just to add some more spice:
the inner liner of that mentioned system weighs 1,3g/m and it also fits the Nokon segments....
 

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