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#281 ·
smoothmoose said:
Thanks guys - good to know. I'm on a Orbea Rallon which also came stock with 0.7 of spacers and I believe the progressive leverage curve is right between to the Sentinel and Patrol. 0.7 was a wall that also rebounded the back end way too much. I went straight to 0.1 and it felt very good, but I also went through travel a bit too much to my liking. I went to 0.3 - and it good, but feeling some harshness coming back. So I just switched it to 0.2 for this weekend. Hopefully that's the goldilocks.
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try more 10 psi,it will ride higher in the travel and you’ll have more mid stroke support
 
#282 ·
bullit43 said:
try more 10 psi,it will ride higher in the travel and you’ll have more mid stroke support
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Yeah, I went up 10psi when I went from 0.7 to 0.1. Going up to 0.2 I'm adding about 5psi. But yes, agree, need to play with air pressure and volume to find the feel I like. I also pulled all the spacer out of my 170mm Fox38, so we'll see how everything feels and balances out. In all cases, I was using more travel out back than front.
 
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#283 ·
ehfour said:
Pretty good initial ride report

Shock-From a Transition Patrol - Set to 62.5mm stroke
Shock Tune: CMSSAL001, PRMAL001, Rezi LLB3 + 0.7 Volume spacers
Bike- Transition Sentinel V2


I weigh around 180-185- and used the Patrol NX setup guide on Transition site + some tweaks
Air pressure 168 psi
Rebound -8-9 from closed
LSC- Non-Adjusted but confirmed to be on "firm"

Firm switch does what it says- perfect for my fire road climb to the trail head
Lots of mid stroke- tonnes of platform too push off of
Progression- Lots of end stroke progression available
Rebound- Open Open Open- I tried closing it but found the shock packed down

Pretty happy for a shock I picked up to use when I send in my SDU for service

In comparison @socalrider77 my tuned SDU has more of a coil feel- linear stroke vs the overdamped/poppy feel of Fox shocks- I think this may work better for you application
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Got another ride in, adjusted a couple of things and hit my bracketing trail has 3 - 4 ft hucks, more flow and berms, finish with a chunky rooted section

Upped pressure to 170psi- but this time I cycled the shock every 50psi- I think this made the biggest difference, I had to use the "firm" switch to get the bike to situp on my fireroad climd
Opened Rebound to 9-10

Overall still like the shock- tried running the shock at 7-8 rebound, but started to pack
Jumping between berms, felt good
Used most of the travel- would say there was maybe 5mm left over, which is what I would expect and had with the Super Deluxe

The main difference for me was the shock sits a bit higher in the stroke vs my tuned SDU and has less hard hits on roots and square edges

Will test it out on some Squamish trails and report back on how it does over roots and slabs
 
#284 ·
ehfour said:
Got another ride in, adjusted a couple of things and hit my bracketing trail has 3 - 4 ft hucks, more flow and berms, finish with a chunky rooted section

Upped pressure to 170psi- but this time I cycled the shock every 50psi- I think this made the biggest difference, I had to use the "firm" switch to get the bike to situp on my fireroad climd
Opened Rebound to 9-10

Overall still like the shock- tried running the shock at 7-8 rebound, but started to pack
Jumping between berms, felt good
Used most of the travel- would say there was maybe 5mm left over, which is what I would expect and had with the Super Deluxe

The main difference for me was the shock sits a bit higher in the stroke vs my tuned SDU and has less hard hits on roots and square edges

Will test it out on some Squamish trails and report back on how it does over roots and slabs
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Are you running all the 0.7 in volume spacers?
 
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#286 ·
Hey crew ,
Feint metallic noise from 22 float x shock , can be heard when inverting the bike/shock.

I believe its the thin washer above the "bottom out" bumper moving on the shaft. Undid the aircan , checked volume reducer was in place and pushed the washer/bumper up against the top of the shock. Noise went away and then could be heard again after some trail riding.Seems to me it is only held in place by the friction of the bumper on the shaft and maybe is able to "float" a little up/down. Anybody had similar or any insight?

Also , is it acceptable to have small rings of oil on the shock shaft after riding? Its not excessive but definitely noticeable after each ride.

Cheers
 
#287 ·
Paleske said:
Also , is it acceptable to have small rings of oil on the shock shaft after riding? Its not excessive but definitely noticeable after each ride.

Cheers
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If your shock is newer it wouldn't be unusual to have lubricant visible on the outer part. There are small amounts inside the shock and on the seals that help keep it running smoothly. Same with a fork.
 
#288 ·
ehfour said:
Got another ride in, adjusted a couple of things and hit my bracketing trail has 3 - 4 ft hucks, more flow and berms, finish with a chunky rooted section

Upped pressure to 170psi- but this time I cycled the shock every 50psi- I think this made the biggest difference, I had to use the "firm" switch to get the bike to situp on my fireroad climd
Opened Rebound to 9-10

Overall still like the shock- tried running the shock at 7-8 rebound, but started to pack
Jumping between berms, felt good
Used most of the travel- would say there was maybe 5mm left over, which is what I would expect and had with the Super Deluxe

The main difference for me was the shock sits a bit higher in the stroke vs my tuned SDU and has less hard hits on roots and square edges

Will test it out on some Squamish trails and report back on how it does over roots and slabs
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Latest update - The SDU is imho a better shock for my bike and my riding, the Float X in current configuration is soft off the top, with ok mid-stroke but good bottom out support


Rode the shock out in Squamish- Did a mix of flow and tech- nothing crazy- If you know the area Ditch Pig/Angry M/Half nelson/Psuedo...,
During the ride the shock picked up the dread rebound knock, and it really started to become evident as I pedaled and descended over rooty sections, if I was deeper in the travel it seemed to go away- Drops or jumping
I ended up trying and running the rebound almost fully open 13-14, which calmed down the knock but it never fully went away

Today, I ended up removing the 0.6 spacer and leaving the 0.1 spacer in there, throwing in some grease in the air can as it was almost bone dry- Pumping it up to 20 psi higher than previous and moved rebound to 9-10 from closed and there was no knock. If I moved it to 7-8 the knock would comeback

Ill report back if this fixes the knock, but Im not confident that it will
 
#291 ·
ehfour said:
Latest update - The SDU is imho a better shock for my bike and my riding, the Float X in current configuration is soft off the top, with ok mid-stroke but good bottom out support


Rode the shock out in Squamish- Did a mix of flow and tech- nothing crazy- If you know the area Ditch Pig/Angry M/Half nelson/Psuedo...,
During the ride the shock picked up the dread rebound knock, and it really started to become evident as I pedaled and descended over rooty sections, if I was deeper in the travel it seemed to go away- Drops or jumping
I ended up trying and running the rebound almost fully open 13-14, which calmed down the knock but it never fully went away

Today, I ended up removing the 0.6 spacer and leaving the 0.1 spacer in there, throwing in some grease in the air can as it was almost bone dry- Pumping it up to 20 psi higher than previous and moved rebound to 9-10 from closed and there was no knock. If I moved it to 7-8 the knock would comeback

Ill report back if this fixes the knock, but Im not confident that it will
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What do you mean by rebound knock? As in it's rebounding too fast and topping out the shock?
 
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#292 ·
smoothmoose said:
What do you mean by rebound knock? As in it's rebounding too fast and topping out the shock?
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There are a few threads over in the Transition group on Facebook- where there are reports of users with constant knock when pedaling. What I exp, is the first 5-10mm of travel pressing and letting off the seat makes the shock knock- its worse with more damping or closing off rebound
 
#293 ·
My shock was making a metallic rattle noise , undid the air can and found the bumper and washer sitting low on the shaft (washer causing the rattle). Reset them and was fine for a short time and then rattling returned.

Had my local shop check it out and they found the same, reset the washer/bumper to top , nothing else as far as i know. Has anyone else had this issue? Quite annoying sound to ride with.
 
#294 ·
ehfour said:
There are a few threads over in the Transition group on Facebook- where there are reports of users with constant knock when pedaling. What I exp, is the first 5-10mm of travel pressing and letting off the seat makes the shock knock- its worse with more damping or closing off rebound
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Interesting. I wonder if that's Transition specific tune issue - I didn't noticed that on the Float X running on the Spire I had for a few weeks. Definitely not getting that knock on my Orbea Rallon.
 
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#295 ·
Transition specs this as the OEM compression tune for the Float X:
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0.2mm is a crazy big gap for a crossover tune and the fact that they are using it with a heavily preloaded rebound stack is a recipe for shock knock.
At lower speeds there are basically only two shims acting on compression and they aren't stiff enough to close quickly when changing direction. Oil passes though the compression ports before the rebound shims can open and creates a knock.
 
#296 ·
ehfour said:
There are a few threads over in the Transition group on Facebook- where there are reports of users with constant knock when pedaling. What I exp, is the first 5-10mm of travel pressing and letting off the seat makes the shock knock- its worse with more damping or closing off rebound
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this is exactly down to a tea what the problem is/was - more rebound damping the knock was worse- open it up full fast and it became almost not audible, albeit obviously youd have no rebound damping - silverfish/fox uk have a fix for it now, it came from the HQ in USA apparently, i dont know what it is. I have also been plagued by exactly the same thing on my float x2 also, its very frustrating as it makes the back end of the bike not only loud and rattly, but like something is loose and feels like there is no damping

luckily i picked up a float x performance off a sentinel alloy - and upgraded it to LSC adjuster, touch wood this one is silent with no knock -

just a side note now ive used the float x lsc adjuster upgrade - after speaking to various people and what my suspension guy suggested from the off, the tune is likely very light to start off with, meaning my un-noticeable 10-1 clicks of LSC is probably about right, i have since taken time to play with it and i think there is a very a slight difference from 10 - 1 in terms of stiffness/softness, not so noticeable when pressing down, but riding - its marginal, but it defo feels better now ive had it done, its much more traction like the x2 now it feels softer - dare i say it im starting to like it more than the x2 tbh - it makes the sentinel feel more lively and although not as damped/controlled perhaps it is a good all round shock especially for pedalling

im tempted to get a new super deluxe ultimate 2023 model to try next - hopefully the reliability and a bit of a performance upgrade over the float x? somewhere inbetween the x2 and the x?
 
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Had a chance to get a ride in on a float x performance to compare to my usual superdeluxe ultimate that I’ve been riding for a couple months.

Bike/rider: sentinel v2 xxl with cascade link, float x off of a sentinel v2 (borrowing from a buddy), rider weight 250lbs advanced rider/enduro races occasionally

Local trails are steep, fast, jumps, rock gardens, a good mix of everything.

The float x is much more damped than the superdeluxe for both having a transition specific tune. Since I’m heavier, I had to run the superdeluxe with 26-27% sag and the LSC dialed in 7 clicks to keep it from bobbing and blowing through the travel and to have decent support. with those settings it was noticeably harsh. I put the float x about 10psi lower than the SD, which put me at about 27% sag as well. The float x felt way more composed and less harsh on the same trails compared to the SD and pedaled significantly better. Also had more support in berms and lips than the SD did, I didn’t have to pull as hard on some lips as I did with the SD. I would assume this is because the float x has a MM tune for transition and the SD has a LL tune, so it has a bit more damping to deal with my weight and leverage of the cascade link.

The shock I have does have slight rebound knock since I run the rebound 2/3 closed (at number 4 on the dial) but it wasn’t really noticeable while riding since my bike is pretty loud this time of year anyways.

I’ll get a few more rides in on my buddy’s shock and then likely swap my SD for a float x. If it ends up also having the rebound knock I’ll probably send it in for a custom tune


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#298 ·
thats interesting - i wonder how the new 2023 SD ultimate fairs to the float x? id have thought the old gen SD ultimate would have faired a bit better than the float x tbh - but as i said the more i am using mine the more its growing on me - keen to hear your thoughts after a few more rides also

as for the knock on the rebound, it can be cured for sure, whether a new tune fixes it im not sure - but they are convinced here in the uk they do have a fix for it stating people have had theirs back and no sign of the knock, i was going to be a guinea pig but i no longer have that bike - instead im now a guinea pig for updated parts for the x2 with the trunnion issues, fox have sorted it out with updated parts to combat the cracking bodys of trunnions, but its irrelevent at the moment as mine went in for that and came back with a knocking noise just like the float x issue :(
 
#299 ·
@socalrider77

Good ride report, looks like you might have a winner

Are you running the full suite of volume spacers? 0.6 + 0.1? Ive take my 0.6 out at per the suggestion of Cary and its take some of the deadness/wall that I felt nearing the end of the stroke

Added about 20-25psi on top to get back to sag
 
#300 ·
Didzy2009 said:
thats interesting - i wonder how the new 2023 SD ultimate fairs to the float x? id have thought the old gen SD ultimate would have faired a bit better than the float x tbh - but as i said the more i am using mine the more its growing on me - keen to hear your thoughts after a few more rides also

as for the knock on the rebound, it can be cured for sure, whether a new tune fixes it im not sure - but they are convinced here in the uk they do have a fix for it stating people have had theirs back and no sign of the knock, i was going to be a guinea pig but i no longer have that bike - instead im now a guinea pig for updated parts for the x2 with the trunnion issues, fox have sorted it out with updated parts to combat the cracking bodys of trunnions, but its irrelevent at the moment as mine went in for that and came back with a knocking noise just like the float x issue :(
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Keep us up to date on how the fix goes @Didzy2009

Good to know about the LSC adjuster- debatable if its worth adding, if the adjustment window is so small
 
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