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#3,521 · (Edited)
The Lyrik is back on the bike for now. Maybe I've got rose colored lenses on and am remembering it better than it really is.

Dougal, could be the case. It feels too progressive to me, but I get what you are suggesting. My Lyrik is 170mm so I can definitely tolerate more sag at 180mm. I rode a pike at 160mm before that too so the bike tolerates different front heights pretty well.

It feels too soft when you stuff the front wheel into something and it "hangs up." Slow tech where you don't have the momentum to carry you through or really steep stuff where you have a lot of weight on the front even when you are as far down and back as you can go is the only time I notice it. Berms feel good for support.

Fully aware too, my ability is the limiting factor in all cases. I'm looking for a setup that will save me from myself. Lol
 
#3,522 ·
mike156 said:
The Lyrik is back on the bike for now. Maybe I've got rose colored lenses on and am remembering it better than it really is.

Dougal, could be the case. It feels too progressive to me, but I get what you are suggesting. My Lyrik is 170mm so I can definitely tolerate more sag at 180mm. I rode a pike at 160mm before that too so the bike tolerates different front heights pretty well.

It feels too soft when you stuff the front wheel into something and it "hangs up." Slow tech where you don't have the momentum to carry you through or really steep stuff where you have a lot of weight on the front even when you are as far down and back as you can go is the only time I notice it. Berms feel good for support.

Fully aware too, my ability is the limiting factor in all cases. I'm looking for a setup that will save me from myself. Lol
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If your Lyrik is an RC2 then it's got very little compression damping and depending on your spacer setup might not be that progressive. Mid-stroke is definitely softer and less supportive on the Lyriks.

Let us know how your back to back testing goes. My suspicion is you're running the Mezzer higher and firmer than you need to.
 
#3,523 ·
It's got a Runt, Avy damper with FVaT/HSB, Debonair (the saggy good one), low friction seals, and burnished bushings.

In complete fairness, I'm putting Mezzer up against (arguably) the best fork on the market and it's a pretty close fight.

I'd say the Mezzer is the better chassis. But the Runt and Avy are pretty damn good together.
 
#3,524 ·
mike156 said:
It's got a Runt, Avy damper with FVaT/HSB, Debonair (the saggy good one), low friction seals, and burnished bushings.

In complete fairness, I'm putting Mezzer up against (arguably) the best fork on the market and it's a pretty close fight.

I'd say the Mezzer is the better chassis. But the Runt and Avy are pretty damn good together.
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Oh that Lyrik!
I don't know what damper rates Craig runs, so that's just guesswork. What pressures do you run in your Runt and how often do you get full travel? All the time or only on the hardest hits?

If you want to mimick the pneumatic top-out feel in a Mezzer, just compress it 10mm before removing the pump.
 
#3,526 ·
ungod said:
I'm at 47/76, but not using full travel either. It's possible my giyo pump is off, but may also be that I'm just a "hang off the back" downhiller.
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The tuning gets really interesting. A bigger ratio between pos/irt makes the second stage kick in later. The biggest change to total progression is your positive. Because that's got the most influence on the total amount of air in the fork.

Don't be scared to go lower. You can always set them both the same and see how that feels. Once you've got a good starting point there you can start splitting the pressures again.
 
#3,527 ·
Dougal said:
What pressures do you run in your Runt and how often do you get full travel? All the time or only on the hardest hits?

If you want to mimick the pneumatic top-out feel in a Mezzer, just compress it 10mm before removing the pump.
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75/110psi
Never uses full travel, probably hardest hit I've ever had on it still left 10-15mm of travel.

Don't care about the top out behavior, just the larger negative volume.
 
#3,528 ·
mike156 said:
75/110psi
Never uses full travel, probably hardest hit I've ever had on it still left 10-15mm of travel.

Don't care about the top out behavior, just the larger negative volume.
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Has anyone measured neg volume? I'm thinking they can't be much different.
 
#3,529 ·
Dougal said:
The tuning gets really interesting. A bigger ratio between pos/irt makes the second stage kick in later. The biggest change to total progression is your positive. Because that's got the most influence on the total amount of air in the fork.

Don't be scared to go lower. You can always set them both the same and see how that feels. Once you've got a good starting point there you can start splitting the pressures again.
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Thank you as always, i'll give that a shot!
 
#3,530 · (Edited)
Question for everyone running a Mezzer Pro fork. What do you guys do with your front brake line? The fork didn't come with any sort of securing nut that holds your brake line to the fork anywhere!? And I can't really find too many good photos of the Mezzer Pro online that show EXACTLY up close how they secure the front brake line to the fork. And which way they run the line. This photo below is about the only one I can find that shows a decent photo.

And to make matters worse, I have Magura MT7 brakes, so the front brake line sticks way out in the front of the bike, instead of laying down nicely to the right and meeting all the other cable housings in the middle.

So what are the best ways to run the front brake line on a Mezzer Pro? Right now I have it running up through the back of the fork, then up through where the front crown would be, pretty much like this photo below, but with nothing to secure it to the fork. It looks really clean and professional like this and I'd rather not use zip ties if possible. This is a custom build and I want everything to look real clean and professional.
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So what can I use to attach it? I don't understand why it doesn't come with instructions and a securing nut to hold it?

Any ideas? Thanks
 
#3,532 ·
weverb said:
Mine was in the bag with the fender. You can buy the cable guide separate if you need to.

www.universalcycles.com

Manitou Machete/Mezzer Cable Guide

Manitou Machete/Mezzer Cable Guide :: From $9.99 :: Manitou External Fork Parts
www.universalcycles.com www.universalcycles.com
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Hmm, ok, I'll have to look. I can't remember if my fender was in a bag or not. Hopefully that little clamp is in there! Thanks
 
#3,533 ·
I have a Mezzer Pro on my Commencal Meta TR and I decided to buy a Mezzer Expert for my Mojo 4 and replace the Fox 34 it came with.

The Mezzer Expert travel can be adjusted from 180MM -> 140MM (which I need to do) but the way it's adjusted seems to be different than the PRO. Looks like the Expert IVA Air Spring you remove the air spring and there's a 4 position slotted plastic carrier and you clip the puck on the bottom slots depending on how much you want total travel length to be? If I were to replace the Expert IVA Air Spring with the IRT - how would one adjust the travel? Similar to the PRO by removing the stanchions then the air shaft, then adding the clipped plastic pucks together on the air shaft?

I'm assuming to drop from 180 -> 140mm, I'd need to purchase 4 of those 10mm white clip spacers? Does anybody know if it comes with in the box with the EXPERT like it does with the PRO or does it have to be purchased separately?
 
#3,534 ·
funks said:
If I were to replace the Expert IVA Air Spring with the IRT - how would one adjust the travel? Similar to the PRO by removing the stanchions then the air shaft, then adding the clipped plastic pucks together on the air shaft?
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Same way of changing travel between the Expert and Pro (air spring Plastic spacers)..
I believe they are included.

Oren
 
#3,535 ·
funks said:
I have a Mezzer Pro on my Commencal Meta TR and I decided to buy a Mezzer Expert for my Mojo 4 and replace the Fox 34 it came with.

The Mezzer Expert travel can be adjusted from 180MM -> 140MM (which I need to do) but the way it's adjusted seems to be different than the PRO. Looks like the Expert IVA Air Spring you remove the air spring and there's a 4 position slotted plastic carrier and you clip the puck on the bottom slots depending on how much you want total travel length to be? If I were to replace the Expert IVA Air Spring with the IRT - how would one adjust the travel? Similar to the PRO by removing the stanchions then the air shaft, then adding the clipped plastic pucks together on the air shaft?

I'm assuming to drop from 180 -> 140mm, I'd need to purchase 4 of those 10mm white clip spacers? Does anybody know if it comes with in the box with the EXPERT like it does with the PRO or does it have to be purchased separately?
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Expert travel adjusts the exact same way as the pro, and the upper IVA part adjusts progressivity. IMO, just upgrade to the IRT straightaway with the Expert.

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#3,537 ·
funks said:
You sure? the pink bike review shows that travel modification is different with the expert as it uses this

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Nope, that's the just like tokens in a RS fork, just adjusts progression. Trust me, I have an expert, and just upped the travel 150 -> 160 using the plastic spacer things

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#3,538 ·
funks said:
I have a Mezzer Pro on my Commencal Meta TR and I decided to buy a Mezzer Expert for my Mojo 4 and replace the Fox 34 it came with.

The Mezzer Expert travel can be adjusted from 180MM -> 140MM (which I need to do) but the way it's adjusted seems to be different than the PRO. Looks like the Expert IVA Air Spring you remove the air spring and there's a 4 position slotted plastic carrier and you clip the puck on the bottom slots depending on how much you want total travel length to be? If I were to replace the Expert IVA Air Spring with the IRT - how would one adjust the travel? Similar to the PRO by removing the stanchions then the air shaft, then adding the clipped plastic pucks together on the air shaft?

I'm assuming to drop from 180 -> 140mm, I'd need to purchase 4 of those 10mm white clip spacers? Does anybody know if it comes with in the box with the EXPERT like it does with the PRO or does it have to be purchased separately?
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The Travel adjustment is identical between the pro and expert (page 31 of the manual - https://hayesbicycle.zendesk.com/hc...m/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360102677333/Mezzer_Pro_Expert_Service_Guide.pdf )

If it doesn't come with the spacers, send me a message. I've got an extra set of spacers that you can have for shipping ($10 in the US).
 
#3,540 ·
mike156 said:
The negative air spring of the C1 vs B2(?) Debonair Air spring? I believe it was you that made that claim? Looking at the pieces it seems correct though as the seal head trades negative volume for lower leg volume.

Or are you talking Lyrik vs Mezzer?
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Lyrik vs Mezzer. Mezzer also uses shaft volume, travel is the same. Piston height can't be that different.

I mean I have all of them modelled up in 3D CAD. But it takes spare time and brain power to compare them properly.
 
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