Well had a few guys talking to then selves but I could hear them they looked at my stumpjumper and sons P3 and said with a snotty I could not ride a specialized . They had a very cool Santa Cruz and trek but made me think I remember something Specialized did in the industry years ago to piss everyone off but forget.
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This is what I always disliked about spec:
S. Stumpjumper 29'' 2019 - Linkage Design
Those are expensive bikes to be pedaling like such a wet mattress.
S. Stumpjumper 29'' 2019 - Linkage Design
Those are expensive bikes to be pedaling like such a wet mattress.
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The first bike I bought at a bike shop was a Specialized, I remember how amazing their lineup seemed, it just seemed to ping my imagination. But not long after, the marketing claims went over the top and they started that campaign of suing non-competing businesses that just used works like "stump", etc. (because you can somehow confuse Stump Town with Stumpjumper?). They gave everything they had to try and diss the linkage bikes that were not horst-links, calling them "fake", claiming that their horst link had a "vertical wheel path", when it had nothing of the sort. Being one of the bigger companies, proprietary gear eventually became a problem, like the Epic Brain, which has never really been worked out, yoke-driven shocks that have non-standard mounts, those old dual-crown enduro forks, special fox shocks that no one supports after a year or two, etc. There's no good reason for this stuff. I tested the waters a few years back with a 29er enduro and it was clear it was intended to be a one or two-season bike, the rear horst link bearings were not replaceable, not even with a blind-bearing puller, you had to buy the whole seatstay unit. And if you want better shock performance, you are severely limited by the yoke design. I think they've backed themselves into a corner with the horst link while better designs have evolved, with so much hype they created, it's hard to back away. I'd rather support smaller companies that can't afford to design all of their own parts, because it keeps the bike more standard and easier to repair/upgrade.
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whats wrong with Specialized
After having several Epics and a Stumpy over the years and Roval wheels, I will no longer buy a complete MTB bike from them. Way too many issues with the brain forks and brain shocks and recently I had a bad experience trying to get support from them which left me frustrated.
Having said that, I think they do make good bikes, saddles, tires, shoes but not a fan of the propriety brain stuff and their customer service. I would never put someone down for riding their bikes or make cruel comments. They have some really nice bikes to be sure.
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After having several Epics and a Stumpy over the years and Roval wheels, I will no longer buy a complete MTB bike from them. Way too many issues with the brain forks and brain shocks and recently I had a bad experience trying to get support from them which left me frustrated.
Having said that, I think they do make good bikes, saddles, tires, shoes but not a fan of the propriety brain stuff and their customer service. I would never put someone down for riding their bikes or make cruel comments. They have some really nice bikes to be sure.
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LolYou're going to hell.
There, I said it.
This, coupled with your avatar, made my day
Wait, is this Trek or Cannondale you're talking about here?
(FWIW, anybody that looked at the Brain and thought it was good idea deserves what they get.
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I wonder if Mike Synard gets all teary-eyed when he sees an ad like that and reflects nostalgically "ahhhh, the first bike design I ever stole. really takes me back!".
Serious note, from Day1 specialized sprouted from a rotten seed. An amazing, despicable story worth reading if you don't know.
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What is it nowadays with people who can't keep their derogatory comments to themselves?
You (the OP) did nothing offensive. Why did they allow their mouths to run? I don't get it. Just say, "have a good ride" or "how was the ride?" and move on.
You (the OP) did nothing offensive. Why did they allow their mouths to run? I don't get it. Just say, "have a good ride" or "how was the ride?" and move on.
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I don't disagree with you on this. I just want to point out that this execution of the Host Link is quite different from other brands who make HL bikes that pedal very well. I don't want the Specialized implementation of the design to blemish other brands that use it to better effect.
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Certainly, and I agree entirely. Spec messed up HL, HL itself is just fine.
Thats sort of the most off-putting thing about spec though. You're going to do a bunch of proprietary nonsense for a poor end result? Why?!
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as soon as I hit anything moist(dont say it) I scrub speed like crazy
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Agreed. The difference between the SJer for example, and the Sight, is night and day.
In 2018 I went AWOL from work and spent a week+ demoing every bike I could get my hands on. Lots of days I had 2 bikes. On those days I brought a buddy and a pedal wrench.
I had a deposit on an S-Works SJer that was en route to the LBS. They gave me a Sight for shits and giggles. I had the Sight and a lower level speced SJer out one day. Both my buddy and I almost died climbing on the SJer, and I prefer reasonably active suspension climbing because I don't do fire roads.
Anyway, I cancelled the order on the S-Works, and bought a Sight, the latter of which was the most efficient climbing of all the bikes we demoed.
Both H-L. Both roughly the same travel. But radically different rides. Night and day.
EDIT: in fairness, the SJer had 2.6 tires, vs the 2.3s on the Sight, and I likely did not have the suspension on the SJer anywhere near dialled. The other observation I had was that the Command Post was the craziest dropper I have ever ridden. It sounded like a fishing reel, and seemed to drop a quarter of an inch from when it topped out. We all know about the ball busting force of it, but I actually like a fast dropper so I didn't mind that part. The faster the better.
EDIT #2: after typing all that, I am even more interested now in getting my hands on an Enduro. If Forbidden was not coming out with a longer travel sled, I would be all over an Enduro, Command Post, bad karma, soul sucking climbing dynamics and all.
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SCO was doing the suing, not anyone related to LinuxGoogle SCO Linux lawsuit
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Which is the reason I don't buy anything from them either
. Again, vote with your wallet. Even if I can't afford it from anywhere else I still won't buy it from a company who tries so hard to screw over small businesses and other competition. Can't put a price on moral values.I'm still not going to be hating on anyone with a backcountry sticker or riding a Specialized.
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