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Anyone have feedback between the X2 vs coil setups (thinking Ohlins) that has ridden both?
Have not ridden the x2 on this bike. but once you go coil, you never go back. I'd only consider the X2 or air shock if you want to use volume spacers to have the most progressive ride possible. If you want traction, go coil. I think the playful/poppy thing is a bit overblown when it comes to a criticism of coil shocks since you can always decrease rebound dampening. I went ccdb and having the 2 rebound adjustments can make it as poppy are wallowy as I want. Also the climb switch is rad on this shock, it feels like a completely different bike when climbing with the switch on. like no bob from rebound and compression, definitely beats the climb swithc on rockshox and fox.
 
Anyone have feedback between the X2 vs coil setups (thinking Ohlins) that has ridden both?
Riding my elite with a Marzocchi Bomber CR. For me it's a huge upgrade over the RS shock that came mounted on the bike. The bike is more lively, playful and has much more cornering/braking traction. It feels more planted in the rough terrain. I'd never go back. In fairness to the air shock I didn't tinker much before switching.
 
Thanks everyone. I had the coil on the Evo and did not like it. Was harsh on the square edge hits and just never felt great. Limited adjustability on it though. Have the X2 on it now and it is a full on magic carpet ride in comparison. My guess is that I just don't like the stock tune.

Decided to get the SWorks instead of the Elite build and have to change everything. Will start with the X2 and see if I want to upgrade after a few rides. Couple more weeks of waiting for it to ship now.
 
I think Specialized put a fair amount of compression damping / platform on the stock coil to help with preventing bottom out as the frame design is not super progressive. I don't think the coil shock itself if responsible for that feeling you described. I myself don't find it super harsh but I do get a fair amount of pedal feedback from that coil setup on the carbon evo.

Thanks everyone. I had the coil on the Evo and did not like it. Was harsh on the square edge hits and just never felt great. Limited adjustability on it though. Have the X2 on it now and it is a full on magic carpet ride in comparison. My guess is that I just don't like the stock tune.

Decided to get the SWorks instead of the Elite build and have to change everything. Will start with the X2 and see if I want to upgrade after a few rides. Couple more weeks of waiting for it to ship now.
 
I think Specialized put a fair amount of compression damping / platform on the stock coil to help with preventing bottom out as the frame design is not super progressive. I don't think the coil shock itself if responsible for that feeling you described. I myself don't find it super harsh but I do get a fair amount of pedal feedback from that coil setup on the carbon evo.
Agreed, it is a tune and suspension design issue, not a coil issue.

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I was looking into the comp build as the frame only options appear to be long gone right now. Before ripping the Super Deluxe off I was considering tweaking it with the MegNeg to see what kind of performance I can get out of it. Has anyone tried this before, do we think the leverage curve on the Enduro is to progressive where it would have an adverse effect?
 
Awesome build
Thanks :)

Ohlins rfx 36 m.2 coil
EXT storia V3
77designz stem/bars, ergon GE1 factory grips
magura 1893
XTR 12sp cassette / shifter, XT derailleur / chain
CC eewings carnks, oneup pedals
absolute black 32T oval
i9 hydras, carbon rims, sapim cx rays
bikeyoke revive 185mm
specialized s-works phenom saddle
SWAT conceal carry tool
Butcher 2.6 grid trail 2020
 
I was looking into the comp build as the frame only options appear to be long gone right now. Before ripping the Super Deluxe off I was considering tweaking it with the MegNeg to see what kind of performance I can get out of it. Has anyone tried this before, do we think the leverage curve on the Enduro is to progressive where it would have an adverse effect?
I've been really happy with the SD on mine, I was going to take it off also, but found I liked it a lot in stock form. I would try it before making a change.
 
I've been really happy with the SD on mine, I was going to take it off also, but found I liked it a lot in stock form. I would try it before making a change.
Thanks man, pulled the trigger on the comp this morning. I will try the stock SD out, I'll also order a MegNeg just to tinker with. I also have an 11-6 that's ~400 to get reconfigured for the Enduro... so options are abound!
 
My Enduro came with Float X2. It worked pretty good, but there was always this wallow that was hard to tune out without making the shock too harsh. I saw a deal on a used DPX2 and bought it. I prefer the DPX2 on the 2020 Enduro. It works well with no wallow. It pedals better, stays higher in its travel providing more support, at least for how I like to ride. The DPX2 works well - don't even think about the rear end - just ride the bike and have fun!
 
Personally I greatly prefer RS suspension over Fox, generally speaking.
I added a Meg-Neg canister to the Superdeluxe on my Foxy and while more plush off the top for just a moment, it has dramatically more midrange support when still set at the same sag, which requires more air pressure.
Then as an experiment I removed the black rubber cone looking bump stop in the negative chamber of my Lyric fork to increase the negative chamber volume and that did the same thing as adding the Neg-Neg to the shock. Slightly softer off the top, way more midrange support.
Just a data point if you are looking for that in your suspension action.
Ps. I broke some ribs just 3 weeks ago so have yet to ride this new for me set up aggressively, just light trail riding on it so far.


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First ride on my hopped up S3 Comp yesterday (Hope E4's, X2 rear shock, 36 Float Grip2 fork, different saddle). Two rocky twisty trail drops, 3500' climbing.

Very cool bike. Rode it on the same trails I used to need a DH bike for (which are very steep and non-trivial - Simi Vallley, CA). It outperforms the skanky old DH bikes I used to ride up there.

The suspension settings for my height and weight from the Specialized calculator were decent enough for a damping baseline, but quite a ways undersprung for that type of riding at both ends. There are some severe g-outs and drops that I definitely touched bottom from. I was taking a pretty casual pace too, just getting a feel for the bike. If I were pushing things and getting up to race pace, I'd probably be wanting to run more like 20-25% sag on the rear and 12-15% up front. Not 33%/20% or whatever they spec. I'm 180lb, they called for 215psi rear, 78psi front. 1 spacer rear, no spacers up front. Ended the day with 230psi rear and 90psi front. Still needs a touch more in the rear. Probably will load up the air can with another spacer or two for some more midstroke support.

On the steep stuff I'm glad I didn't go with the S4. I think any more wheelbase would make last minute moves coming off of steep ledges more awkward. Never felt any instability. The bike is VERY comfortable pointing and shooting through some really bombed out ****. I'll probably go with a 50mm stem at some point and I may bring the bars down to 765mm or so. But the climbing geo feels pretty spot on for me at 6ft.

My biggest gripe with the bike is the NX shifter lever layout, and the shifting performance. With matchmakers on the Hope brakes, the upshift lever I can't reach unless I drop my elbow way down (moto-bro WFO style) when I have the seat raised. Even with a variety of tinkering with cable tension, never did I have reliable downshifting either. I think the shifter and derailleur are going to come right off. To be clear, that's a pretty small gripe...#whiteboyproblems.

Added note: Running this in the high mode. I see no need to run it in the low mode at the moment. The risk of pedal strikes is higher and I felt no sense that the front was too steep. Feels like a prior generation DH bike as-is.

TL/DR

6'/180lb rider, S3, X2/Grip2

215psi (ended 230psi). 1 spacer.
LC 13
HC 13
LR 13
HR 10

78psi (ended 90psi). 0 spacers.
LC 7
HC 10
LR 6
HR 5
 
Has anyone removed the SWAT tool from the steerer tube of a 2020 Enduro? If so whats removal and install like in a new tube? Is it threaded like the One Up tools or is it just compression fit?
I haven't yet but asked my shop just in case I wanted to move the stem lower. Don't know about the OneUp but the SWAT tool is the compression mechanism for the steerer tube. There is a screw at the bottom of the fork to either tighten or remove it.
 
TL/DR

6'/180lb rider, S3, X2/Grip2

215psi (ended 230psi). 1 spacer.
LC 13
HC 13
LR 13
HR 10

78psi (ended 90psi). 0 spacers.
LC 7
HC 10
LR 6
HR 5
I have run more air for race-type runs of short duration but I find the feedback to the hands and feet too much to deal with for everyday riding. Still more than recommend in rear. Less than recommend in fork, but this fork is weird.

5'10''/170 lb rider, S3, X2/Grip2 (2019 model)
212 PSI (up from 205 recommended) 1 spacer
LC: 8
HC: 15
LR: 12
HR: 7

68 PSI (down from the 74 recommended) 0 spacers
LC: 10
HC: 15
LR: 10
HR: 18
 
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