^^ Yeah I get it now, thanks
yeah Giant dumped it and now does it all in house
[regular flavor] or [$$$ flavor] with nanofiber
even the grade chart of fiber types is missing the bottom level
Advanced Composite Tech | Technology - Giant Bicycles | United States
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this is the 2013 Defy description
"Giant Composite Technology"
the Fork for it is called 'Advanced Composite',
so it was a mongrel of the old school and new school on the fork....and the type of fiber they are keeping for 2015 and forward
I'll say one thing about my new XTC advanced carbon...it rides SWEET everywhere and especially on climbs. So much better than other bikes I have owned which cost double or triple (1998-2000 vintage Litespeed Tellico and Yeti ARC, both loaded to the gills with what was then the top line XTR and Mavics)
Giant does know wtf to do with carbon and making a hardtail out of it for sure