-This the fire-road above "can you make it" BD???

 

Close. It's the actual right hand line on can you make it, up the big ass rut instead of around it.

 

Found it. I keep meaning to go ride down there, I'll have to check it out when I do. That would be quite the challenge!

Yeah, you over there, talking to you... probably thought you were going to snag the coordinates off my screenshot, didn't you?

 

Found it. I keep meaning to go ride down there, I'll have to check it out when I do. That would be quite the challenge!

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Yeah, you over there, talking to you... probably thought you were going to snag the coordinates off my screenshot, didn't you?

Hit me up if you make it down. I'll give you the tour of fawked up ebike hill climbs around here.

 

If you ride a normal MTB and are not going to blast uphills, the normal assist level is very high. In technical slow choppy sections, you have to be pretty cautious with the Bosch race motor since it has that initial surge. It is reduced now but still there. So now I am down to 35 NM max and -2 Assist level (from 85 NM and +2) and unless I hit a 10% grade or so, it is still easier than a normal MTB. That is why max power and strength declines.

I'll keep it this way for now since I am riding my MTB on weekends for sure. It is a really good way to get zone 2 rides, recovery rides, and fun group rides with other electrified riders. I wonder if this is what Lance felt like at 25 and juiced up. I could drop the lowest mode even more but for now, it works great. If I meet up with the small E group of guys, I'll just put it in the next mode..the rest are all default settings. Suffering will arrive this Sat though.

 

I wonder if this is what Lance felt like at 25 and juiced up.

What's the old line, it doesn't get easier, you just go faster.

I bought a trainer a month or two ago and that's what it feels like to me!

 

Here's a little sharp e-bike climb for shits and giggles.
Also that is the first time i've been able to clear that stair gap in 20 years. They build a glass partition so you dont have enough run up or speed on a pedal bike. Boost it on the E.... Sweet.

 

The eMTB gave me more party labs past 3 years. So more fun. Even in bike parks with a lift it was usable. Do I still ride bio bikes. No... ow yes going to ;-) Ordered an YT Capra for bike parks...

 

Nice!...

Yeah party laps are where its at.

PS Next time, slightly higher gopro angle.

 

@plummet I know Was first test to mount a GoPro Mini on the vizor. I prefer the chest mount with the GoPro + max lens mod 2.

 

It's 107° in TX. I was out riding for about an hour on my emtb, and came back without breaking a sweat (not totally sweat-free, just not feeling drops/bullets forming). I didn't seek to crank up the AC or fan once home either. I adapted quickly to the climate, unlike my coworkers, who seem to need to vent their misery. I just have a lot of exposure to the outdoors, since it's my "daily driver."

On a related note, the emtb has eliminated much of my "fitness anxiety" thanks to the motor and all the bike commuting, so I don't care what it weighs as long as the parts satisfy my needs. This explains the big fenders, big saddle, reflectors, bike lock, and other things my bike has. That and just going for strong and cheap stuff, like 600+g rims, 420g handlebar, etc. I got a set of 145mm cranks and cut my hbar to 735mm since I was tired of banging into stuff.

I also regularly hauled 20+ lbs of groceries 10+ miles and occasionally hauled big 45+ lb boxes on my back (an actual bike box containing an MTB I sold), cutting out car trips.

I did 4+ hour epics spontaneously, without any water, food, or other supplies, in plain clothes. The battery itself was like my supplemental fuel source that diminished my body's need for it. That said, I've regularly done 3-4 hour rides without water on at least a weekly basis, so going a little further, riding to some random peak on the horizon, wasn't that big of a deal.

 

Oh Canada!

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...that there are too many who enjoy confrontation with those they dont like or understand. Those who would rather be disadvantageous to those they dont understand or like do it with joy in their heart. To be helpful to others is not in their personality..they enjoy telling others how to live their lives as if they know better. They tend to be easily annoyed and enjoy taking any fun out of life...as evident with many posts about ebikes that are hateful. Was talking to a neighbor when I was showing mine and he started complaining about the poor who use them in the cities without paying anything for a license and insurance...would rather see them get arrested for no license or insurance..but had nothing to say to me about mine...humans suck..

 

It's like the rdnck Jeep guys who think if you don't drive a manual transmission 100% of the time, you have too much estrogen. Same thing.

 

What I learned from owning an ebike and trying to engage in discussion about them is that no one likes purists except other purists who share the same opinions.

To non-purists, purists are haters, simple-minded, toxic, trolls, insecure about their masculinity, and what else?

Even if I tried, I can't think of a single thing to defend purists, even on other topics, besides that I used to have a similar mindset until I learned that it was stupid.

 

"purist"
What is next?
Ten pedal strokes with a 50 watt effort will propel you for 2 minutes? Maybe call it super boost overrun mode?

Riders with Fazua Ride 60-equipped e-mountain bikes will now get the KickOverrun upgrade, an automatic boost to help on technical ascents
The new KickOverrun tech - that will be installed via a firmware update - works automatically, detecting technical riding sections where you may need the assistance

Riders with Fazua Ride 60-equipped e-mountain bikes will now get the KickOverrun upgrade, an automatic boost to help on technical ascents

Fazua is the latest drive system manufacturer to introduce a new firmware update for the summer. And this time, it's the Ride 60 unit that gets treated to some new upgrades. The biggest feature is the new KickOverrun tech, which essentially offers a boost of power assistance when riders need it...

off.road.cc

 

I did that update today and it basically turned my Relay into a YZ250…




Dork.

 

Even if I tried, I can't think of a single thing to defend purists, even on other topics, besides that I used to have a similar mindset until I learned that it was stupid.

I can't read the anti-e arguments on here without thinking about how utterly stupid I must have sounded railing against disc brakes and rear suspension back in the day. But with age comes wisdom, for some of us anyway.

Won't be long and you can pop your virtual reality headset and suit on on, and you won't even have to leave the comfort of your living room.

I'm pretty sure you can do that now, if VR and sitting on the couch is your thing. I think most of us here would rather ride bikes though.

 

I'm pretty sure you can do that now, if VR and sitting on the couch is your thing. I think most of us here would rather ride bikes though.

Dunno. I did a VR ride the other day on the trainer. Well not quite VR, no headset but I had a screen. Turns out having a mountainbike with low gearing wasn't ideal. I had to coast down the hills which seemed a bit pointless 🤣

 

You’ve been able to that for several years. Of all of the things said as insults here, this type of implied fear/arrogance/superiority comment is the pinnacle of smugness. Bravo. You’re tied at the top of the leaderboard with a bunch of others. Maybe you can take the top spot on your own with adding even a tiny bit of originally. Good luck.

Couple of notes: Using Buy n Large, BnL or any other WALL-E reference won’t do it. Neither will moped, motorcycle or any other similar term. I’d suggest actually trying an e-MTB so that you can find something that rings true if you want to get there. You got this. The motorcycle post was a decent effort so I’m excited to see what you could do by stating anything backed by real experience.

Yeah man, this is the bold frontier of the interwebs - where highly emotional/irrational/subjective rants based on logical fallacies reign supreme. The unremitting motorcycle/moped analogies are the epitome of the false equivalence fallacy - where two subjects are incorrectly compared as if they are equal, despite significant differences between them. Of course, trying to reason with the ignorant is like pissing into the wind . . . in the end, you only piss on yourself.

 

I’d suggest actually trying an e-MTB so that you can find something that rings true if you want to get there. You got this. The motorcycle post was a decent effort so I’m excited to see what you could do by stating anything backed by real experience

I have. Both the local bike shop here had had ride test days, and one of the bike brands themselves had a traveling demo fleet you could try out various models at one of the bike parks here. So I did.
I've also got relatives and friends who ride Ebikes, and are always telling me to get one, or take it for a ride.
As I've written multiple times, I've got nothing against them. At all. They're just not for me. Yet. Once I'm sufficiently incapacitated things will likely change I'm sure.

 

I have. Both the local bike shop here had had ride test days, and one of the bike brands themselves had a traveling demo fleet you could try out various models at one of the bike parks here. So I did.
I've also got relatives and friends who ride Ebikes, and are always telling me to get one, or take it for a ride.
As I've written multiple times, I've got nothing against them. At all. They're just not for me. Yet. Once I'm sufficiently incapacitated things will likely change I'm sure.

Honestly I'm just not sure I believe you. The equivalencies you make are not valid and not indicative of someone who has experience. Of course if you just want to be insulting to people because that makes you happy then I guess that makes more sense and then I can buy it. Whichever it is, it is boring and repetitive. I still haven't ridden an e-mtb that I actually truly enjoy and less than 5% of several thousand miles logged on bikes over the last 4 years have been on one (first time I tired one was ~4 years ago).

Somehow I still don't understand how anyone that has ridden them can't acknowledge some basic facts about them, barring that, at least be a decent human about stuff. Whatever. If that's who you want to be then I'm 100% sure I am not going to change your mind. You'll just be another person that falls behind when change moves past them. You don't have to care and I certainly don't care if you do. Like I said, I'm sure it is pointless discussing this with you. I only bothered to respond because I still can't get my head around someone being so invested in telling others how to have fun that they are willing to write the stuff you write. Whatever. False equivalence and gate keeping are not the ways I want to go through life and I hope if there's places where I do that people point it out and I learn from it. Enjoy being miserable. You can be sure that I won't waste another minute of my life responding to you.

 

 

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Any form of logic seems to be a pretty rare commodity here it would appear. Apparently, because I didn't instantly become a fawning, squealing rabid fanboi of Ebikes after riding a few, obviously I'm just a liar, and have never ridden one. Go figure that one out 😂😂

 

Maybe, just maybe be less of a dick about your preferences and don't bash or belittle others for theirs.

You tried an e-bike, it wasn't your jam, you prefer hardtails.
Fair enough, carry on.

 

Maybe, just maybe be less of a dick about your preferences and don't bash or belittle others for theirs.

You tried an e-bike, it wasn't your jam, you prefer hardtails.
Fair enough, carry on.

Shoot, if that was me, I wouldn't waste my time posting about it in an ebike forum either. But then I wouldn't get attention for it. It almost seems intentional...

 

Speedy has completely hijacked this thread and made it all about him.

Do you see that Speedy?
Any more scintillating defenses concerning your oafish casting about, knocking **** over and basically derailing what was an interesting conversation?

Another e-bike thread cratered and turned into a dumpster fire due to yet another troll who is triggered by emtb riders and their bikes.
carry on...

 

Speedy has completely hijacked this thread and made it all about him.

Do you see that Speedy?
Any more scintillating defenses concerning your oafish casting about, knocking **** over and basically derailing what was an interesting conversation?

Another e-bike thread cratered and turned into a dumpster fire due to yet another troll who is triggered by emtb riders and their bikes.
carry on...

Mix John, Hit ignore. It's a wonderful button for removing juice arses from the thread.

 

I have learned something over the years....hardtail riders are usually morons, singlespeed rigid riders are usually awesome or psychotic- 50-50. The others are basically general population and I have no specific observation.

 

Me picturing BMX stereotypes and the stereotype that follows that one quote: "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

As much as people like to fight stereotypes and generalizations, such stereotypes would die if they didn't have enough truthfulness in them.

 

What I have learned is that the bigotry and closed mindedness is mostly on the forum and or maybe in the good old US of A.
I never have any negative douche bags out on the trail or at the trailhead. Its all positive and generally "wow nice bike!" comments.

 

I learned how to jump and ride berms faster.

 

I learned that the emtb would give me some strange motivation to take the "scenic route" if I were doing an errand and had time to spare, even when the temp was 104° and it was midday. Vid sped up 5x, with the errand being package dropoff at the post office.

This case was not an exception. I took spontaneous epics that went 3.5+ hours and 40+ miles in plain clothes. I had the motivation to make a "spider web" of GPS tracks just venturing.

I would credit this to me liking the area I lived in, but I did this in Oklahoma, too. Not so much in Texas, though, since the routes are just not very welcoming to bikes here, and people pass me within a few feet going 30+ mph faster than me. I guess it just needs to not be too hostile, I guess.

People like to say that they ride a specific route with less effort and time with emtb, which doesn't sound like a good thing to people wanting to workout. I'd rather word it in a way that highlights the fact that my emtb didn't change me to be lazier, but changed me to be the opposite of lazy.

 

I love riding my e bike. Thankfully I have no E-Karens around here. If I did, I would make sure to E roost them everytime I pass their fragile little egos. Worth the extra money and "lack of fitness" I am getting.

They make it seem like the ebikes are going 150 MPH in an area that you can only ride 2 or 3 mph. SMDH.

This is my only E-Bike btw!

 

I love riding my e bike. Thankfully I have no E-Karens around here. If I did, I would make sure to E roost them everytime I pass their fragile little egos. Worth the extra money and "lack of fitness" I am getting.

They make it seem like the ebikes are going 150 MPH in an area that you can only ride 2 or 3 mph. SMDH.

This is my only E-Bike btw!

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Can you sit on the paneer at the back and do a wheelie? If so I want to see a picture of a video.

 

Returning to the original title of this thread of what I have learned:

On the trails, steep climbs with roots and rocks have become considerably 'safer' for me on my e-mtb. I used to look for trees to grab or bail off zones if I was taking on tricky climbs on my standard mtb and sometimes walk them. I am referring to those somewhat short but steep and treacherous spots on the trail that can eat your lunch.

When I am hammering up a ravine and get hung up on a root or run out of steam, hopefully I can drop a foot or grab something to keep from tumbling back down. With the e-mtb, the pedal assist keeps the forward drive consistent, and I am able to navigate those pesky climbs more safely and with much less chance of crashing. The Rail 7's smart assist does a great job at sensing when I need a more help and I have grown to trust it with my life, so to speak.

 

I've learned to buy stock in Brake-pads & Rotors...

 

And rear tires.

 

My heavy, over powered (1500w), fat tired hard tail (with sweet 140mm aftermarket fork) taught me that my ankles are my week point.