[T3mppu]

Hydraulic top-out is on almost all rear shocks and has been for decades. The ones that don't are those with pie-slice rebound ports. Those ones have to limit spring preload to almost nothing.

Oh right, stupid me didn't look properly into the scale, so the last mm or few mms when shimms are closing.

This explains also why no HBO is visible as it is outside the scale, the diagram is about the touchdonw, so in the topout area.

 

[Rick Draper]

Put a 230x65 Vivid on our spring rate tester today, I only got a quick picture but that’s 0/1/2/3/4 volume spacers at 160psi, rushed it a bit and I think 0 and 1 are slightly off. Tomorrow I’ll try and get it on the dyno.

On a bike it feels incredibly soft in the initial stroke and one on a bike sits in the travel slightly under the weight of the bike (standard bike not an e-bike). Also the transfer port for the air spring is pretty deep in the travel on these. I assume this is partly down to the bypass on the main piston.

 

[Send-It]

I've had my Vivid for a few weeks. After setting it up over a few intense park days the best I can say is the difference from my Super Deluxe air is substantial in all ways. I haven't ridden a coil in years so I can't compare the Vivid to what many would say it's trying to replicate.

On its own it's super soft off the top, there's even a little sag under the weight of the bike. It's very linear through the majority of the travel, which is the biggest difference compared to the SD. With the SD I could sort of guess how deep into the shock travel I got on a certain size hit. With the Vivid I was always surprised when I checked the travel ring when I was bracketing over the same run. I guess that means there's always a variance to speed/force/etc. even if you're hitting the same run multiple times and the Vivid is able to account for that. There's no harshness at all to the HBO ramp up at the end of travel. I couldn't get it to bottom, though my ankles, shoulders and back only let me take that so far!

What I noticed the most was how well it smoothed breaking bumps and popped off jumps while still "plowing" through medium, semi-repetitive terrain. The least scientific thing I can say is it felt like it added 2' of travel without feeling sluggish.

For the record I have a 2022 Canyon Torque. Stock Vivid 250x70 1 token/Reb25/Comp34
HSC -1
LSC +1
HBO -1
Reb +12
PSI 210

 

[beerbomb]

I've had my Vivid for a few weeks. After setting it up over a few intense park days the best I can say is the difference from my Super Deluxe air is substantial in all ways. I haven't ridden a coil in years so I can't compare the Vivid to what many would say it's trying to replicate.

On its own it's super soft off the top, there's even a little sag under the weight of the bike. It's very linear through the majority of the travel, which is the biggest difference compared to the SD. With the SD I could sort of guess how deep into the shock travel I got on a certain size hit. With the Vivid I was always surprised when I checked the travel ring when I was bracketing over the same run. I guess that means there's always a variance to speed/force/etc. even if you're hitting the same run multiple times and the Vivid is able to account for that. There's no harshness at all to the HBO ramp up at the end of travel. I couldn't get it to bottom, though my ankles, shoulders and back only let me take that so far!

What I noticed the most was how well it smoothed breaking bumps and popped off jumps while still "plowing" through medium, semi-repetitive terrain. The least scientific thing I can say is it felt like it added 2' of travel without feeling sluggish.

For the record I have a 2022 Canyon Torque. Stock Vivid 250x70 1 token/Reb25/Comp34
HSC -1
LSC +1
HBO -1
Reb +12
PSI 210

I'm running an aftermarket vivid on my 22 transition patrol and it feels just as good as the stock float x2 that came with my frame. I think the vivid might even have better small bump compliance than the x2. I run about 33% sag and your comment about plowing through medium semi-repetitive terrain is spot on. I might have it tuned for my frame when it's time to service but for now it feels great. I have 1 token installed and set HBO to max.

 

[bullit43]

I'm running an aftermarket vivid on my 22 transition patrol and it feels just as good as the stock float x2 that came with my frame. I think the vivid might even have better small bump compliance than the x2. I run about 33% sag and your comment about plowing through medium semi-repetitive terrain is spot on. I might have it tuned for my frame when it's time to service but for now it feels great. I have 1 token installed and set HBO to max.

Put more air ,try 28 %, rides higher in the travel and you can back off the HBO ,it feels snappier too

 

[Send-It]

I'm running an aftermarket vivid on my 22 transition patrol and it feels just as good as the stock float x2 that came with my frame. I think the vivid might even have better small bump compliance than the x2. I run about 33% sag and your comment about plowing through medium semi-repetitive terrain is spot on. I might have it tuned for my frame when it's time to service but for now it feels great. I have 1 token installed and set HBO to max.

FWIW, if you want to dig a little deeper The Lost Co has all internal tunes listed for stock and frame specific Vivids. If Transition has a suggested tune for you that's great. Canyon customer service was no help for me so I had to use some logic knowing similar frame kinetics and look at my stock tune vs those frame specific shock tunes. I was bored so I dug a little....

The stock 205x60 for you Patrol is:
1 Token, Reb25/Comp34, Lockout 2

Repeater specific:
4 Token, Reb25/Comp30, Lockout 2

Spire specific:
4 Token, Reb25/Comp30, lockout 4

I didn't look into each frames kinetics, I assume they're similar and I think you could back off your HBO and add tokens, which is A LOT easier than messing with shims, to get close to the "correct" tune for your Patrol.

 

[beerbomb]

FWIW, if you want to dig a little deeper The Lost Co has all internal tunes listed for stock and frame specific Vivids. If Transition has a suggested tune for you that's great. Canyon customer service was no help for me so I had to use some logic knowing similar frame kinetics and look at my stock tune vs those frame specific shock tunes. I was bored so I dug a little....

The stock 205x60 for you Patrol is:
1 Token, Reb25/Comp34, Lockout 2

Repeater specific:
4 Token, Reb25/Comp30, Lockout 2

Spire specific:
4 Token, Reb25/Comp30, lockout 4

I didn't look into each frames kinetics, I assume they're similar and I think you could back off your HBO and add tokens, which is A LOT easier than messing with shims, to get close to the "correct" tune for your Patrol.

Yep I bought the shock from The Lost Co. I haven't reached out to Transition yet but they have been great in the past in regards to communication. I assume they'll tell me to run the spire tune as the frames are nearly identical.

Put more air ,try 28 %, rides higher in the travel and you can back off the HBO ,it feels snappier too

My float x2 does feel a little snappier as it should since it's tuned for the frame but the Vivid has some pop too its not bad at all!

 

[dmcd38]

Send-It how much do you weight?
You think the C34 R25 tune is ok for the Canyon Torque?

 

[Send-It]

Send-It how much do you weight?
You think the C34 R25 tune is ok for the Canyon Torque?

Around 195 pounds kitted.

I think it's an adequate base tune for me. I asked Canyon if they had a suggested tune and they flat out said they don't have an answer, can we send you a tshirt and hat for the trouble. HA

I wouldn't want MORE compression if that's what I'd assume C37 would provide. I still have yet to bottom or use excessive travel for the situation at -1 HCS and -1 HBO.

I have the rebound at 12 from closed and it feels just how I like it. That's pretty much in the middle of the range. If you needed less or more R25 seems like it would be adequate for any preference.

I'll admit I'm no suspension tuner, so I have NO idea how moving up or down on the internal tune would tranlsate to the real world. I can only assume using logic based on the factory tune for specific frames/kinetics and with that I couldn't imagine an out of the box tune for the Torque to be much different than stock.

 

[Dabs For Everyone]

All right, who here has tried this bad boy out on a Santa Cruz Megatower 2? So far I'm loving it, but have not yet managed to use all the travel.

My riding weight is about 205 lbs. The Rockshox Trailhead app gives ridiculous results for this bike so I'm ignoring it.
I started at 28% sag, HSC in the middle, LSC in the middle, 11 clicks (from closed) of rebound, 1 click (from fully open) of HBO. Bike is in the "high" setting which is slightly less progressive.

This resulted in a fairly plush, very supportive ride - was 2 seconds off an all-time descending PR on a favorite trail and hit several climbing PRs. But was only using about 2/3rds of the travel, on a ride that included a fairly dramatic huck to flat. I tried backing out the HSC and the bike became chattery in high speed rough, so dialed it back in. The one click of HBO likely isn't doing much since I'm not near to bottoming out.

Yesterday I tried 30% sag and only got to about 3/4s of the travel, with many small jumps included. Overall ride quality is still there. I'm not sure how much further I should go - I can't find guidelines on running this bike beyond 32% sag, and I don't want to lose the supportive feeling it has right now.

 

[Suns_PSD]

All right, who here has tried this bad boy out on a Santa Cruz Megatower 2? So far I'm loving it, but have not yet managed to use all the travel.

My riding weight is about 205 lbs. The Rockshox Trailhead app gives ridiculous results for this bike so I'm ignoring it.
I started at 28% sag, HSC in the middle, LSC in the middle, 11 clicks (from closed) of rebound, 1 click (from fully open) of HBO. Bike is in the "high" setting which is slightly less progressive.

This resulted in a fairly plush, very supportive ride - was 2 seconds off an all-time descending PR on a favorite trail and hit several climbing PRs. But was only using about 2/3rds of the travel, on a ride that included a fairly dramatic huck to flat. I tried backing out the HSC and the bike became chattery in high speed rough, so dialed it back in. The one click of HBO likely isn't doing much since I'm not near to bottoming out.

Yesterday I tried 30% sag and only got to about 3/4s of the travel, with many small jumps included. Overall ride quality is still there. I'm not sure how much further I should go - I can't find guidelines on running this bike beyond 32% sag, and I don't want to lose the supportive feeling it has right now.

You don't change sag/ air pressure to change how much travel you use. Sag is practically a constant with just a small range for preference.

You use primarily HSC, R & also volume reducers to control travel used.

Set your sag correctly and if you are riding your biggest stuff, then reduce compression and/ or increase air volume and reset sag.

GL

 

[Rick Draper]

All right, who here has tried this bad boy out on a Santa Cruz Megatower 2? So far I'm loving it, but have not yet managed to use all the travel.

My riding weight is about 205 lbs. The Rockshox Trailhead app gives ridiculous results for this bike so I'm ignoring it.
I started at 28% sag, HSC in the middle, LSC in the middle, 11 clicks (from closed) of rebound, 1 click (from fully open) of HBO. Bike is in the "high" setting which is slightly less progressive.

This resulted in a fairly plush, very supportive ride - was 2 seconds off an all-time descending PR on a favorite trail and hit several climbing PRs. But was only using about 2/3rds of the travel, on a ride that included a fairly dramatic huck to flat. I tried backing out the HSC and the bike became chattery in high speed rough, so dialed it back in. The one click of HBO likely isn't doing much since I'm not near to bottoming out.

Yesterday I tried 30% sag and only got to about 3/4s of the travel, with many small jumps included. Overall ride quality is still there. I'm not sure how much further I should go - I can't find guidelines on running this bike beyond 32% sag, and I don't want to lose the supportive feeling it has right now.

Try removing a volume spacer.

 

[Send-It]

I tried backing out the HSC and the bike became chattery in high speed rough, so dialed it back in.

Could be packed into it's travel and not rebounding fast enough.

Also, no problem using all but the tiny tiniest amount of travel. I'm far enough into travel to hit HBO so I'd say it's all good. Is your shock the factory tuned version for the Mega? If yes, then I'd try the trailhead suggestions as at least a starting point.

 

[Dabs For Everyone]

Could be packed into it's travel and not rebounding fast enough.

Also, no problem using all but the tiny tiniest amount of travel. I'm far enough into travel to hit HBO so I'd say it's all good. Is your shock the factory tuned version for the Mega? If yes, then I'd try the trailhead suggestions as at least a starting point.

Yes, it's the factory tuned version for the Mega. I did try the trailhead app suggestions, but the pressures were consistently about 20 to 30 psi too high to hit the target sag (and I'm fairly sure I didn't just lose a bunch of weight). Will keep noodling.

 

[Dabs For Everyone]

Well as predicted by you all, changing spring rate didn’t yield much in terms of finding full travel. This leaves me with token removal (the megatower version comes stock with 2 installed). The procedure looks a little intimidating - any suggestions on instructional videos?

 

[Muddy-Runs]

All right, who here has tried this bad boy out on a Santa Cruz Megatower 2? So far I'm loving it, but have not yet managed to use all the travel.

My riding weight is about 205 lbs. The Rockshox Trailhead app gives ridiculous results for this bike so I'm ignoring it.
I started at 28% sag, HSC in the middle, LSC in the middle, 11 clicks (from closed) of rebound, 1 click (from fully open) of HBO. Bike is in the "high" setting which is slightly less progressive.

This resulted in a fairly plush, very supportive ride - was 2 seconds off an all-time descending PR on a favorite trail and hit several climbing PRs. But was only using about 2/3rds of the travel, on a ride that included a fairly dramatic huck to flat. I tried backing out the HSC and the bike became chattery in high speed rough, so dialed it back in. The one click of HBO likely isn't doing much since I'm not near to bottoming out.

Yesterday I tried 30% sag and only got to about 3/4s of the travel, with many small jumps included. Overall ride quality is still there. I'm not sure how much further I should go - I can't find guidelines on running this bike beyond 32% sag, and I don't want to lose the supportive feeling it has right now.

Take out the 2 volume spacers you having inside, adjust the PSI and start over. Also SC recommended sag for MT2 is 29-32%.

 

[Dabs For Everyone]

Take out the 2 volume spacers you having inside, adjust the PSI and start over. Also SC recommended sag for MT2 is 29-32%.

Yes! Like I said, any recommendations on a video or good instruction on how to remove the volume spacers? The only one I could find on YouTube was from a “MTB Telly” who got into some trouble with a strap wrench.

 

[beerbomb]

Yes! Like I said, any recommendations on a video or good instruction on how to remove the volume spacers? The only one I could find on YouTube was from a “MTB Telly” who got into some trouble with a strap wrench.

Just follow the service manual. I didn't need to use a strap wrench or do any twisting to get the air can off, just use some of that muscle. Having a vise is required unless you can come up with another way to hold the shock.

 

[Dougal]

All right, who here has tried this bad boy out on a Santa Cruz Megatower 2? So far I'm loving it, but have not yet managed to use all the travel.

My riding weight is about 205 lbs. The Rockshox Trailhead app gives ridiculous results for this bike so I'm ignoring it.
I started at 28% sag, HSC in the middle, LSC in the middle, 11 clicks (from closed) of rebound, 1 click (from fully open) of HBO. Bike is in the "high" setting which is slightly less progressive.

This resulted in a fairly plush, very supportive ride - was 2 seconds off an all-time descending PR on a favorite trail and hit several climbing PRs. But was only using about 2/3rds of the travel, on a ride that included a fairly dramatic huck to flat. I tried backing out the HSC and the bike became chattery in high speed rough, so dialed it back in. The one click of HBO likely isn't doing much since I'm not near to bottoming out.

Yesterday I tried 30% sag and only got to about 3/4s of the travel, with many small jumps included. Overall ride quality is still there. I'm not sure how much further I should go - I can't find guidelines on running this bike beyond 32% sag, and I don't want to lose the supportive feeling it has right now.

I'm curious to see how the setup ends up for you. From the outside this looks like a shock with the air spring optimised for downhill and it may make it very difficult to get spring-rate, ride height and progression to line up for a trail bike compared to the Super Deluxe.
But we'll see how you go.

 

[The Messiah]

I'm curious to see how the setup ends up for you. From the outside this looks like a shock with the air spring optimised for downhill and it may make it very difficult to get spring-rate, ride height and progression to line up for a trail bike compared to the Super Deluxe.
But we'll see how you go.

Maybe he rides like a pussy?.