Yep, I've been up on the pulpit this whole thread...

Here is what happens, Someone else bring it up or they notice I am not munching on meat. Then they ask why not. I say I am veggie and let it slide. Then they start in with the jokes and the questions. Let is slide again. No big deal to me. If they keep it up I usually pat their stomachs and then they let it slide!

I don't even know why people have to bring swearing or insults into the discussion. You want to eat meat, go ahead. If you don't like people who don't eat meat fine. But to go on and on and on and say you are not preaching or sermonizing yourself is disingenous.

Have a big bar b q, drink beer and have fun. Just don't get your panties in a knot. IS that preaching??

You're right. I've spent this entire thread preaching about the evils of a vegitarian lifestyle. Every one of my posts have extolled the virtues of meat and castigating grains. You're so clever to feret this out.

Swearing? Sorry to have used another word for feces. How crass of me.

You don't see the irony of your posts? I'm belittled by people who eat meat but it's OK for me to belittle them because I'm right and they're wrong.

Getting my panties in a knot? Humm... some would consider that an insult. Which you don't see the need for in a discussion.

Ken

 

You're right. I've spent this entire thread preaching about the evils of a vegitarian lifestyle. Every one of my posts have extolled the virtues of meat and castigating grains. You're so clever to feret this out.

Swearing? Sorry to have used another word for feces. How crass of me.

You don't see the irony of your posts? I'm belittled by people who eat meat but it's OK for me to belittle them because I'm right and they're wrong.

Getting my panties in a knot? Humm... some would consider that an insult. Which you don't see the need for in a discussion.

Ken

1. I eat meat
2. You CAN be crass in your posts (like the time you called me a dick for insulting the French )
3. Telling someone not to get their panties in a bunch is not an insult...just another way to say

LIGHTEN UP!!!

 

Well, it's human nature to get upset so I tend to just write it off when people get angry and insulting. Likewise, it's unfortunate that some meat eaters criticize vegetarians just like some vegetarians criticize meat eaters.

ETO,

I doubt your wife gets much grief about her veggie diet, but if you are a guy you get a lot of heat, joking and ribbing for it. That is just the way it is. All the people I hang with are not veggies, and that is OK by me.

A lot of veggies are very into it and that is why they are veggies. The looked into the "facts" and that is the reason most changed their diets. I think the initial tone of this thread was for veggie "supporters", but the tone of it quickly turned into veggie bashing.

Hey, I was in the meat eating group most of my life, so who am I to throw stones?? I do enjoy my diet though and it's resulting health benefits. But it is more difficult because restaraunts for the most part do not cater to either veggies or healthy diets. So we eat out very little. I guess that means more money for bike parts!

 

I think the initial tone of this thread was for veggie "supporters", but the tone of it quickly turned into veggie bashing.

I think the initial tone of it was an example of exactly what I was talking about. The thread started out with " If you contribute to the torture of millions of animals, and still expect to go to Heaven...you well crazy! "

It's really not surprising some reacted the way they did.

 

Ovo-Lacto vegetarian and yes.....

Re: I sure hope your biking shoes and gloves are all synthetic. Might want to try forum 88 with this crap.

I do only wear synthetic gloves/shoes and all the rest.

Some of the best companies (Sidi for instance) ONLY produce shoes with synthetic material.

 

There is too much misinformation and rubbish in this thread.

If you eat meat good for you and if you don't well good for the animals and may be you too.

I hardly think going to heaven or hell is (if you are religious) determined by what you eat.

Ever read Leviticus? Eating shellfish is an abombination just like homosexuality and wearing mixed fabrics.

 

Just show me...

...the beef; there isn't a cow, buffalo, salmon, scallop, shrimp, Peruvian mountain trout, elk,wild boar, and wild turkey I won't eat...I'd rather die happy and with mad cow, then waste away into a cellophane noodle lying in a lice infested nursing home bed with mal-nutrition induced beef'ofish'opoultry'oporkophobia...

 

Waste away?????

You mean waste away like these vegetarian athletes?

Hank Aaron (home run champion in major league baseball) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
B J Armstrong (US Basketball star)
Al Beckles (body builder)
Sorya Bonali (ice skater)
Les Brown (veteran runner)
Peter Burwash (tennis)
Andreas Cahling (body builder)
Andreas Cahling (bodybuilder)
Chris Campbell (1980 world champion wrestler)
Joanna Conway (ice skater)
Sylvia Cranston (triathlete)
Sally Eastall (Marathon runner - UK No 2, vegan)
Di Edwards (runner, Olympic semi-finalist)
Katie Fitzgibbon (marathon runner)
Clare Francis (sailer)
Louis Freitas (body builder)
Carol Gould (marathon runner)
Estelle Gray (cyclist) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
Sammy Green (runner)
Ruth Heidrich (3-time Ironman finisher, marathoner, age-group record holder, Pres. Vegetarian Society of Honolulu) (vegan) Source: personal acquaintance, also...her book--A Race for Life
Sally Hibberd (British Women's Mountain Bike Champion)
Sharon Hounsell (Miss Wales Bodybuilding Champion)
Desmond Howard (formerly w/Washington Redskins, now w/Jacksonville Jaguars) Source: PETA mailer
Roger Hughes (Welsh National Ski Champion)
David Johnson (BAA coach)
Kathy Johnson (Olympic Gymnast)
Alan Jones (British ski jumper)
Billie Jean King (tennis champion) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
Killer Kowalski (wrestler) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
Jack LaLanne (Fitness guru) (vegan)
Donnie LaLonde (Former Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. (Lost title to Sugar Ray Leonard)) Source: Article in San Jose Mercury News
Tony LaRussa (Manager of St. Louis Cardinals - US team) Source: PETA, Animals Agenda, Animals Voice, Veg Times, others
Silken Laumann (Olympic rower) Source: Cooking Television Show
Judy Leden (British, European & World Hang Gliding champion)
Marv Levey (Buffalo Bills Coach)
Jutta Müller (multiple Windsurfing World Cup Champion) Source: Flutlicht 95/6/18 on Südwest 3 (German TV program)
Jack Maitland (triathlete and fell runner)
Cheryl Marek (cyclist) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
Leslie Marx (fencer;1996 woman's epee national champion)
Kirsty McDermott (runner)
Lindford McFarquar (body builder)
Robert Millar (cyclist)
Katherine Monbiot (world champion arm wrestler and nutritionist) (vegan) Source: The Vegan Society UK
Monika Montsho (weightlifter, 2 x runnerup GB Championships 60kg, NW woman weightlifter of the year 1991)
Edwin Moses
Martina Navratilova (Retired Tennis Champion) Source: Magazine Interviews/Genesis Awards
Julie Ann Niewiek (Basketball commentator) Source: Grand Rapids press/ Image Magazine
Paavo Nurmi
Robert Parish (Center - Warriors, Celtics, Hornets, Bulls) Source: Hearsay
Bill Pearl (Bodybuilder, Mr America) Source: Getting Stronger by Bill Pearl, pg 399
Bill Pearl (Mr. Universe and bodybuilder) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
Anthony Peeler (NBA Grizzlies basketball player) Source: NBA web site profiles
Dave Scott (five time winner of the Ironman Triathlon) (vegan) "The New Laurel's Kitchen" cookbook
Debbie Spaeth-Herring (Georgia State power-lifter) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
Jonathon Speelman (chess)
Lucy Stephens (triathlete - vegan)
Jacques Vaughn (All American point guard, #1-ranked Univ of KS Jayhawks) Source: Lawrence (KS) Journal World (numerous editions)
Kirsty Wade (runner)
Bill Walton (basketball player) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian

Or these vegetarians?

Albert Einstein
Albert Schweitzer
Leo Tolstoy
Leonardo Da Vinci

Yeah, I mean, who would want to be in the company of those people?;-)

 

I don't wanna' be in their company.....

undefinedMost of those folks are dead...I'm not ready for that yet; but if I promise to eat my spinach, can I unite with you guys?

 

Or these vegetarians?

Albert Einstein
Albert Schweitzer
Leo Tolstoy
Leonardo Da Vinci

Yeah, I mean, who would want to be in the company of those people?;-)

And Hitler! Don't forget Hitler!

 

I am a hard core vegan.
BTW I am a 200 lb vegan and going for the title of the worlds fattest vegan 

I've almost got you beat... 198lb vegan.

 

THANK GOD FOR "UNSUBSCRIBE" !!!!

I've been vegie for 9 years and counting. NO CHICKEN-BEEF-FISH-CLAMS-TURKEY. On thanksgiving all I eat are rolls. If you contribute to the torture of millions of animals, and still expect to go to Heaven...you well crazy! PS. not religious.

I sooooo regret responding to this idiotic thread and having my "in" box constantly remind me of the fact that I let myself get sucked in to it. I thought I was done with it but some people can't leave a long-dead, well-beaten horse alone.

I honestly don't know which is worse: Vegans on a high horse or defensive meat-eaters. WHO THE F%#^ CARES??????

Thank God for the unsusbscribe option.

Have a nice day ;^>

Kapusta

 

I sooooo regret responding to this idiotic thread and having my "in" box constantly remind me of the fact that I let myself get sucked in to it. I thought I was done with it but some people can't leave a long-dead, well-beaten horse alone.

I honestly don't know which is worse: Vegans on a high horse or defensive meat-eaters. WHO THE F%#^ CARES??????

Thank God for the unsusbscribe option.

Have a nice day ;^>

Kapusta

What does F%#^ mean??? Couldn't find it in my dictionary...is that a veggie word?

 

Sorry....not valid.

And Hitler! Don't forget Hitler!

"A film review about 'Downfall,' which looks at Hitler's final days, referred incorrectly to his diet. Although the movie portrays him as vegetarian, he did eat at least some meat."

While small in size, the correction represents a major victory for truth, since the myth of Hitler's alleged vegetarianism has long been used to try to discredit vegetarians. If this inaccuracy is repeated in the future, as it likely will be, one can now refer to the nation's "Newspaper of Record" to set the record straight.

As documented below, numerous published accounts and first hand sources have confirmed that Hitler's diet included meat. At times Hitler evidently refrained from eating meat (and using alcohol and tobacco), as a response to his many health problems, but his normal diet, and the food served at his retreats and residences, included poultry and meat, most often Bavarian sausages, ham, liver, and pigeons.

Indeed, the Nazis banned vegetarian organizations in Germany and the lands they invaded and occupied.

http://jewishveg.com/media12.html

 

the myth of Hitler's alleged vegetarianism has long been used to try to discredit vegetarians. If this inaccuracy is repeated in the future, as it likely will be, one can now refer to the nation's "Newspaper of Record" to set the record straight.

Fair enough, but why would anyone use Hitler to discredit vegetarians? Is it really such a burning issue? Does anyone really care that much if someone's a vegetarian? Heck, that just means more dripping, bacteria-laden artery-clogging flesh for me!

 

If people had to kill the animals they eat, instead of going to the market and buying them dead already (have someone else do their dirty work for them) then most be vegitarians like me.

i prefer killing what i eat. i would rather eat i nice venison steak that a beef steak any day of the week. eating something you have killed yourself is really satisfying.

 

Using Hitler to discredit vegetariansis like using GW Bush to discredit mountain bikers...
(Now where is that unsubscribe feature!)

 

Too funny. Great thread. My ex-girlfriend is a vegetarian and I would often have veggie meals with her and I liked most of them. I also like to eat meat, but I don't eat it at every setting. Whatever works.

Saying that the human body is designed to eat nothing but vegetables is folly and unproven. If it was, the Inuit would be extinct by now. Traditional Inuit people ate almost nothing but meat. They had to in oder to survive. Are the Inuit the exception to the "human body is designed to eat nothing but plants myth"??? We are omnivores by design.

Why do primitive cultures who know nothing of this retarded debate choose to supplement their diets with meat? Omnivores.

 

What is carrion but meat that ceases to live. A dead pig or cow is carrion. Carrion is meat. Meat is life.

 

I've been vegie for 9 years and counting. NO CHICKEN-BEEF-FISH-CLAMS-TURKEY. On thanksgiving all I eat are rolls. If you contribute to the torture of millions of animals, and still expect to go to Heaven...you well crazy! PS. not religious.

http://www.ethicalwares.com/

 

I'm a vegetarian.

Stopped eating meat when I was a senior in high school. I haven't had a problem with the life style change at all.

I do dislike the fact that people call themselves vegetarians then eat turkey at thanksgiving or will have meat every other blue moon. Drives me nuts. To be a vegetarian, you mustn't eat meat at all!


Now, I COMPLETELY disagree with what Nathaniel said about Heaven. Jesus ate fish man. There's nothing wrong with eating meat. Now, if you eat unclean meat, there's the difference. Of course, if you eat unclean meat, that fact isn't going to keep you out of Heaven either. There isn't a man on earth that can determine that fact. Main reason, no man is perfect. God looks into the heart and will determine your state.

I'm not a vegetarian for religious reason. I don't eat meat b/c I feel it's a healthier life style as long as you get the all the vitamins you need. Lets face it though, even most of the meat eaters out there in America's society isn't eating healthy in the least! Way to be America, you're FAT! (and I'm not talking about phat, pretty hot and tempting)



PS: I am religious.

PPS: Eat all the meat you want! Doesn't bother me at all. If you're out there to change a person mind with a determined and zealous mindset, you won't get very far. Lead by example. Don't just tell someone to change, b/c then they won't at all. My point, quit trying to force people to change!

 

I've been vegie for 9 years and counting. NO CHICKEN-BEEF-FISH-CLAMS-TURKEY. On thanksgiving all I eat are rolls. If you contribute to the torture of millions of animals, and still expect to go to Heaven...you well crazy! PS. not religious.

I am a member of P.E.T.A.....People eating tasty animals....

 

P.e.t.a....

I am a member of P.E.T.A.....People eating tasty animals....

...sounds like a new thread to me; speaking of PETA, they're based here in Norfolk, and I can't tell you the number of times I've seen these guys and girly boys wearing leather "Earth" shoes, riding bikes with leather saddles, walking their dogs in leather collars....used to work with one of those folks who needed a PT job to make ends meet, and used to catch her wearing something that came from a formerly living thing, or eating some imported make believe chips, whose only ingredients I understood were related to animal fats and MSG. Makes you wonder...and BTW, I understand plants are also living things...my garden responds so well when I have "classical" music pumped through the all weather rock shaped speakers. Should we eat just dirt? 'naw, living microbes in dirt.

 

PETA? how do we get involved with such a wonderfull organisation??

speaking of meat, last night I had THE BEST pork chop i have ever had. just thought id share the love.............

steve

 

I've been vegie for 9 years and counting. NO CHICKEN-BEEF-FISH-CLAMS-TURKEY. On thanksgiving all I eat are rolls. If you contribute to the torture of millions of animals, and still expect to go to Heaven...you well crazy! PS. not religious.