[bikeboardorblade]

Anyone spent time on both the Patrol and the new Sentinel? Looking to move from my Spire to one of them, mainly curious how they stack up against each other on the DH.

 

[saccomano.luc]

My sentinel V3 carbon is setup in MX.

I had a 2021 aluminium patrol before, i swapped all the components on my new sentinel.

I just did one trail so far, i need to spend more time to dial the suspension. But so far it handle very well like my patrol, but in much more lighter package...17.5kgs for my patrol (with a coil) over 15.9 kgs for my sentinel!

I have a super deluxe coil on my patrol, i think i'm gonna try it to see what is the best for me

 

[will OP]

I'm just wondering where people are sitting in the sizing, I'm 5'9" with 32" inseam, I've ridden large and a medium in the parking lot but struggling to figure out which size is best,

 

[Suns_PSD]

Medium.

 

[snow snakes]

My sentinel V3 carbon is setup in MX.

I had a 2021 aluminium patrol before, i swapped all the components on my new sentinel.

I just did one trail so far, i need to spend more time to dial the suspension. But so far it handle very well like my patrol, but in much more lighter package...17.5kgs for my patrol (with a coil) over 15.9 kgs for my sentinel!

I have a super deluxe coil on my patrol, i think i'm gonna try it to see what is the best for me View attachment 2138244

Are you running the ZEB at 160 or 170 up front? I’m pondering whether to go Lyrik or keep my current ZEB.

 

[gubbinalia]

Are you running the ZEB at 160 or 170 up front? I’m pondering whether to go Lyrik or keep my current ZEB.

Swapping the Lithium for a Sentinel?! Would love to hear that back-to-back, especially re: chainstay length.

I FINALLY got to ride a v3 Sentinel over the weekend and thought it felt great w/ 160 Lyrik setup. That said, I wouldn't mind a tiny bit more stack and BB height, whether that came from a taller A2C fork at 160mm or something like a Zeb / Mezzer / RXF 38 at 170mm.

Really liking the current crop of Horst Link all-mountain bikes that I've rode, including the v3 Sentinel, RM Instinct, and (upside-down Horst) Forbidden Druid.

 

[snow snakes]

Swapping the Lithium for a Sentinel?! Would love to hear that back-to-back, especially re: chainstay length.

I am. I absolutely adore the downhill performance of the Lithium, and it was fabulous for chunky terrain in Arizona without much in the way of extended climbing and descending, but the actual seat tube angle and very short chainstays require me to force my chest into the bars to keep from looping out on climbs. I rode a Sentinel V3 alloy the other day, and while it isn't a stretched out cockpit, it felt very relaxed and centered, perfect for steep/long climbs. Back to back with the SST, it feels similar in terms of the distance from hands to feet, but with more bike behind me. I know the S5 Stumpjumper Evo suffered from too long a reach, even though I liked the long chainstays, so I'm hoping the Large Sentinel's F/R balance will be more dialed in.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Short CS's suck, unless you are < 5'7".

 

[RadicalPugilism]

Short CS's suck, unless you are < 5'7".

5’7” and can confirm that they still suck.

 

[snow snakes]

Short CS's suck, unless you are < 5'7".

5’7” and can confirm that they still suck.

Hey now…my SST is still my favorite bike.

 

[MyDadSucks]

Hey now…my SST is still my favorite bike.

Imagine if it had longer stays though...

 

[gubbinalia]

I am. I absolutely adore the downhill performance of the Lithium, and it was fabulous for chunky terrain in Arizona without much in the way of extended climbing and descending, but the actual seat tube angle and very short chainstays require me to force my chest into the bars to keep from looping out on climbs. I rode a Sentinel V3 alloy the other day, and while it isn't a stretched out cockpit, it felt very relaxed and centered, perfect for steep/long climbs. Back to back with the SST, it feels similar in terms of the distance from hands to feet, but with more bike behind me. I know the S5 Stumpjumper Evo suffered from too long a reach, even though I liked the long chainstays, so I'm hoping the Large Sentinel's F/R balance will be more dialed in.

Great feedback, I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts once you get a frame built up. I definitely see the advantages of the Sentinel's longer CS for what you're describing in terms of calmly winching your way up pitchy climbing trails and fire road. I think "truly" long chainstay bikes (S4 Druid v2, XL Prime v3 w/ Long dropouts) hinder my climbing abilities a bit simply because I can't get around ultra-tight uphill switchbacks as fluidly, but that's a dying breed of climbing trail around here, even in the ultra-slow-tech corners of the Northeast.

Short CS's suck, unless you are < 5'7".

This must be some sort of universal law, or a call-out to the universe like the Bat Signal… if you start talking about chainstay length on MTBR, Suns PSD will appear!

I'm chainstay agnostic myself (really enjoyed my Honzo with 412mm CS in the right terrain, though I did kick the derailleur from time to time; also enjoy riding high pivot bikes with 470mm+ CS length at sag, on winch and plummet rides) but I'm very glad the industry is giving us more options, especially for the XL/XXL crowd that needs longer stays simply to keep things in balance.

 

[dolface]

Great feedback, I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts once you get a frame built up. I definitely see the advantages of the Sentinel's longer CS for what you're describing in terms of calmly winching your way up pitchy climbing trails and fire road. I think "truly" long chainstay bikes (S4 Druid v2, XL Prime v3 w/ Long dropouts) hinder my climbing abilities a bit simply because I can't get around ultra-tight uphill switchbacks as fluidly, but that's a dying breed of climbing trail around here, even in the ultra-slow-tech corners of the Northeast.




This must be some sort of universal law, or a call-out to the universe like the Bat Signal… if you start talking about chainstay length on MTBR, Suns PSD will appear!

I'm chainstay agnostic myself (really enjoyed my Honzo with 412mm CS in the right terrain, though I did kick the derailleur from time to time; also enjoy riding high pivot bikes with 470mm+ CS length at sag, on winch and plummet rides) but I'm very glad the industry is giving us more options, especially for the XL/XXL crowd that needs longer stays simply to keep things in balance.

I'm just stoked 32" wheels are coming so we can go back to "pick a wheel size and be a dick about it" threads...

 

[snow snakes]

Imagine if it had longer stays though...

Well, the first time (and basically every time since) that I rode an SST, I described it as “perfect”, so I don’t think longer stays would improve things for the way I ride the bike. For me, short chainstays and short travel work great together.

Great feedback, I'll be interested to hear more of your thoughts once you get a frame built up. I definitely see the advantages of the Sentinel's longer CS for what you're describing in terms of calmly winching your way up pitchy climbing trails and fire road. I think "truly" long chainstay bikes (S4 Druid v2, XL Prime v3 w/ Long dropouts) hinder my climbing abilities a bit simply because I can't get around ultra-tight uphill switchbacks as fluidly, but that's a dying breed of climbing trail around here, even in the ultra-slow-tech corners of the Northeast.

This must be some sort of universal law, or a call-out to the universe like the Bat Signal… if you start talking about chainstay length on MTBR, Suns PSD will appear!

I'm chainstay agnostic myself (really enjoyed my Honzo with 412mm CS in the right terrain, though I did kick the derailleur from time to time; also enjoy riding high pivot bikes with 470mm+ CS length at sag, on winch and plummet rides) but I'm very glad the industry is giving us more options, especially for the XL/XXL crowd that needs longer stays simply to keep things in balance.

There's an alert set to automatically ping him with any mention of "chainstay length", I assume (just joshin, Suns).

I would describe myself as chainstay-agnostic as well. I think longer chainstays and extremely balanced f/r centers make an increasing amount of sense the more aggressive your riding intentions, but pure performance and speed isn't always the end goal for me. For a shorter travel bike or a hardtail, I like short chainstays because they make it easier to pick up the front end and manual, wheelie, bunnyhop, cut sharp corners, etc. For extreme confidence and stability, long chainstays are great to an extent, though you can have too much of a good thing.

 

[snow snakes]

This bike doesn’t seem to be getting as much chatter as I imagine on here, so it might be a small pool to work with, but anyone know if a 240mm Oneup Dropper will fit in the Large Sentinel frame? I‘ll be running 165 cranks with a 34” inseam, but I’m not sure if I’ll have enough insertion depth to run it without shimming down to 220mm, at which point I may as well just get another Revive and run at 213mm. I know oneup has a calculator but I somehow confused myself with it.

 

[DGUSMC]

This bike doesn’t seem to be getting as much chatter as I imagine on here, so it might be a small pool to work with, but anyone know if a 240mm Oneup Dropper will fit in the Large Sentinel frame? I‘ll be running 165 cranks with a 34” inseam, but I’m not sure if I’ll have enough insertion depth to run it without shimming down to 220mm, at which point I may as well just get another Revive and run at 213mm. I know oneup has a calculator but I somehow confused myself with it.

I run a 240 in the V2 if you can compare the seat tube specs. It’s slammed but works perfectly with my 34 inseam.

 

[snow snakes]

I run a 240 in the V2 if you can compare the seat tube specs. It’s slammed but works perfectly with my 34 inseam.

Thank you! Slammed would be ideal. What seat and crank length are you running?

 

[snow snakes]

I run a 240 in the V2 if you can compare the seat tube specs. It’s slammed but works perfectly with my 34 inseam.

Seat tube length and insertion appears to be the same, so hopefully it will be perfect, or I'll have to shim down to 235 or 230 or whatever, which would be acceptable. I appreciate the help.

 

[DGUSMC]

Seat tube length and insertion appears to be the same, so hopefully it will be perfect, or I'll have to shim down to 235 or 230 or whatever, which would be acceptable. I appreciate the help.

Excellent. Chromag LTD; 165s.

 

[applnt]

I just finished building up my v3 frame, moved most parts over from my previous v2.

For what it's worth @DGUSMC this a size L with a 240mm Oneup dropper and 165mm cranks but I don't need the post slammed so ymmv.