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I don’t really get what Sram’s thinking was on these tbh. Cool deal for people who swooped the Van Halen set for $600. Now and everyone else trying to buy these aftermarket is going to feel like they got ripped off by comparison.

If they’re going to bundle the regular Ultimate brake or additional special edition boxes with other anodization schemes, then I guess that makes sense.
Doesn't seem atypical for a new product... offer introductory pricing, get people hooked and talking about them, offer a limited or special colorway to standout and your bike becomes a rolling advert as the brakes really stand out.
 
100% but the ones I tried were off the shelf, Friend at shop had them on his damn bike the night before release - Fantastic brakes.
I really want to try them but I'm in no rush. I want some long term reviews. I'll likely pick up a set of eBay take offs in a year or two if they prove reliable. I'm curious to hear long term opinions on lever pull. Sram claims light lever pull but multiple reviewers are saying it's heavier than others. Given the piston size it's hard to imagine the lever pull being very light. Bigger pistons require more force to move. I'm assuming that's one of the main reasons we haven't seen companies go beyond double 18mm's. More piston seal drag, more force required to move the pistons, more weight, but MOAR POWER!
 
I really want to try them but I'm in no rush. I want some long term reviews. I'll likely pick up a set of eBay take offs in a year or two if they prove reliable. I'm curious to hear long term opinions on lever pull. Sram claims light lever pull but multiple reviewers are saying it's heavier than others. Given the piston size it's hard to imagine the lever pull being very light. Bigger pistons require more force to move. I'm assuming that's one of the main reasons we haven't seen companies go beyond double 18mm's. More piston seal drag, more force required to move the pistons, more weight, but MOAR POWER!
You can reduce the force required with a larger master cylinder piston,but when they claim a lighter lever feel maybe they are refering to the bearings on the brake lever pivot.
 
Has anyone yet determined what diameter SRAM used for the master piston?

Still unknown as far as I can tell. The German forums did the math and found that just the caliper size increase with an existing Code master piston would result in a 146% increase in theoretical power versus the 150 percent that is claimed.

In true German fashion they are still trying to figure out exactly what the size of the master piston is still 🤣

Edit: if you multiply the total leverage on the chart here https://brakes.ddzyne.nl/ by 146 percent, you get48.983, which would be just below the Maxima's at 49.79 and above everything factory built on the list but those.
 
Still unknown as far as I can tell. The German forums did the math and found that just the caliper size increase with an existing Code master piston would result in a 146% increase in theoretical power versus the 150 percent that is claimed.
So it sounds like it is the stock 9.5mm piston that exists in codes. Marketing would round up, seems to me.
 
So it sounds like it is the stock 9.5mm piston that exists in codes. Marketing would round up, seems to me.
That was my thought. But people are still digging to find the explanation for that last 4 percent 🤣 . On paper, they should be plenty stout as the reviews have already said. The bite point issue remains a lingering question. I have a potential build coming down the pipe in a month or two that might benefit from these, so I'm keeping an eye on them.
 
You can reduce the force required with a larger master cylinder piston,but when they claim a lighter lever feel maybe they are refering to the bearings on the brake lever pivot.
Large master higher force needed shorter travel in the pull, smaller master less force more travel in the lever p=f/a is the equation. Maths are cool the reason shimano started on the servo is to reduce the travel given a smaller bore for power with less throw
 

Pouring a glass of wine for this one 🤣 The build I'm looking at buying comes with Code's, figured meh, why not pop Maven's on. But if this video goes how the title suggests, then I'll go another way.

Might be a good excuse to try the Cascade calipers. I don't necessarily hate the feel of Code RSC levers, I just hate that they don't stop🤣
 
Okay, jumping around the video to the key points, summary is they have much heavier lever pull during non-maximal braking events. Though at threshold braking, they are indeed crazy powerful and not much harder to pull than anything else. However, the required force at smaller inputs fatigues the hands in a big way. He does some cool experiments hanging weight off various levers to illustrate the point.
 
Okay, jumping around the video to the key points, summary is they have much heavier lever pull during non-maximal braking events. Though at threshold braking, they are indeed crazy powerful and not much harder to pull than anything else. However, the required force at smaller inputs fatigues the hands in a big way. He does some cool experiments hanging weight off various levers to illustrate the point.
I had a hunch that was the case with these based on my parking lot test.
Question to SRAM brake people: Are you just gluttons for punishment?
Why not Hayes or TRP?
 
I got a set of Lewis LH4's shortly before the Maven came out, and at first I was kinda kicking myself because the Maven looked good and uses mineral oil, which I prefer, and probabaly easier to get service parts down the road. But after some time on the lh4 and seeing more reviews of the Maven I have no regrets, the Lewis brakes cost less and have a great lever feel and are very powerful but modulate well, with a consistent bite point and wide-range lever adjustments, and dont need to massage any pistons at least yet. Also they dont require "proprietary" mineral oil so I could use eco-friendly bleedkit gold. Not to mention they look 100xbetter, of course-i mean,... they look like Trickstuff!
 
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Okay, jumping around the video to the key points, summary is they have much heavier lever pull during non-maximal braking events. Though at threshold braking, they are indeed crazy powerful and not much harder to pull than anything else. However, the required force at smaller inputs fatigues the hands in a big way. He does some cool experiments hanging weight off various levers to illustrate the point.
Hand pain is a complicated problem and reducing it to one reason isn't really trivial. I have long running hand issues and it's pretty obvious to me when certain components have a negative effect on it, but determining why is often not straightforward. Either way, I didn't get that from these at all. If anything they, like the Radics and Hopes, reduce it because it requires less braking in advance compared to less powerful brakes I've tried.

There is no doubt the lever pull isn't as light through the deadstroke as the Hope or Hayes, but I really doubt the force required to pull through it was the source of his hand pain. I don't find it that significant and I've had brakes that make my hands tired, so far these haven't. The amount of force through the deadstroke isn't really that important as long as it's within reason, because most people don't spend much time there and tbh I don't find it that firm. The force once the pads engage is what matters, that's when your hand is going to be putting the most effort in, and these aren't any more exhausting than brakes from most other brands in that regard, including Hayes. Probably the only one I'd put as a standout in this category are the Hopes (pending trying Trickstuff and Intend soonish). Having to deathgrip the brakes or run the levers super far out due to a lack of power is the fatigue problem I have with most brakes.

I'd also point out the graph in the middle was entirely fabricated, he admitted it himself. IMO that was poor form, even if I generally like Dale's content, and somewhat misleading. I don't think that was his intention, but if you are going to offer a graph of brake performance, it should be objectively measured. The bottle trick was clever, but overall meaningless without measuring force at the caliper. Saying it requires x pressure to compress the lever doesn't mean anything without knowing what the caliper is doing for that pressure, just because it stops doesn't mean you are only measuring deadstroke and he offers no indication what type of power you get out of that force.

Anyway, I didn't have this issue and I'm usually the first one to notice this sort of thing, so take that FWIW. I'd also note he's around 160lbs per a previous video, which IMO is probably on the lighter side for these. I think people having problems with these are generally going to be under 190-200lbs, there's a limit to what cutting down to a 180mm rotor will achieve and lighter riders will probably struggle more with the way power engages compared to heavier riders
 
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