Is 42/28.6

is 52/40

 

Thanks a bunch for doing that! I now have a the parts I want on order. This should be a fun build, trying to keep in under 20 lbs.

 

My frame arrived yesterday. I did not like the headset that was included with it: no crown race, extra seals or a bearing cap. After some hesitation, I kicked out the cups, to find the standard 44 mm 56 mm inside headtube diameters, as expected. I am ordering Ritchey WCS ZS-type upper and lower parts. The stock cups and bearing dimensions do not sit well with either FSA or Ritchey, so an IS-type headset does not seem to be a good option.

By the way, it is a 41.8 mm bearing external diameter at the top, to be precise.

 

I picked up my frame yesterday, and it is most certainly not an IS headset. It is a ZS headset with the cups already pressed in. I order a CC40 IS headset before I got the frame, and while the bearings drop into the Specialized cups (and are of course better quality), they sit too deep in the cups for the cap to afford any preload. The OEM bearings have the same issue. I will see if I can just buy ZS cups from CC, but if I have to buy a whole new headset, at least I know I can go with an AngleSet.

 

Exactly. Those are custom cups and they would hardly fit any aftermarket bearings.

 

Sad that on a frame this gorgeous they include low quality headsets and seat posts.

 

Will the chisel take 36t chainring ? What is the biggest one can fit?

 

My 34 Wolf Tooth oval barely fits. Shimano BB, 2 spacers on drive side. LX crankset. I'll be changing when I find one with more offset.

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I need to run the rear brake line and shifter and it will be ready to ride. I was hoping for sooner.

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Best colour for an aluminum frame, I wish mine was polished but wasnt available for southamerica. Enjoy

 

Have any of you guys been able to to identify what is the integrated headset?
The S182500004?
What brand and model?
I have the bearings in the frame and looking to get the proper cap to cover bearings. The one I had and thought would work, is rubbing on head tube flange....

 

Considering picking up a 2018 Chisel Comp. upgrades include KS Dropper, tubeless set up, shorter stem and clip less pedals. $850. My dilemma is that there are a bunch of great hardtails for sale and many more coming throughout the off season.

Deal or no deal? Thanks

 

I think you should pass and tell me where it is!

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Ha! Thanks. Loud and clear!

 

I've been eyeing a Chisel for quite some time now. My current bike is a 2015 Stumpjumper HT Comp, in other words the frame that stayed in history as the last alloy Stumpjumper and later got rebranded as the first (and only) alloy Epic HT before it went full carbon. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about it as far as the riding is concerned but it's showing its age with a 142 rear end and the time will come when it gets hard to find parts for it. Adding to that I have personal reasons to get it retired, so I need something to replace it and the Chisel is looking like a worthy replacement. Getting an Epic HT is out of question as I don't want a carbon frame.

So, long story short, if anyone has experience of both an alloy Stumpjumper/Epic HT from 2015-2017 and a Chisel, how do they compare? I realize that the Chisel (in its Comp version) comes with a lower quality fork and drivetrain, perhaps wheels too, but those are all replaceable parts. The frame is the heart of the bike.

 

So, long story short, if anyone has experience of both an alloy Stumpjumper/Epic HT from 2015-2017 and a Chisel, how do they compare? I realize that the Chisel (in its Comp version) comes with a lower quality fork and drivetrain, perhaps wheels too, but those are all replaceable parts. The frame is the heart of the bike.

I own Specialized Crave Pro 2014 and Specialized Chisel Expert 2x 2018. I also have access to Epic Hardtail 2017, alloy, owned by my buddy. Comparing size M, Epic has few milimetres longer reach and higher stack. Chisel has longer wheelbase (1100 vs 1078) and shorter head tube (95 vs 100) thus lower stack. Main difference comes from angles. Chisel 69,8 head angle vs 71 on Epic. 74 seat tube vs 73,5. Same Reba fork, nearly same components. But Chisel rides much better. You need less energy to propel it forward on the flats. One thing is geometry. But I suspect hubs to be slighty different and better on Chisel.

So far I'm very happy with the bike. But compared to my older Crave, I have to tune Reba. It is too stiff compared to Fox, thou I have at least 20 mm sag. I also don't like the handelbar. I'm planning to change it to some carbon one, but not some very light shite but something over 200 grams that can dump the vibrations better and be able to survive some falls.

I bought XTR shifters during Black Friday for 60 Euros, so SLX will be changed. I'm using Fast Track S-Works tubeless tires with sealant. I bought few days ago, 3 months old Roval Control alloy wheels for 150 Euro (retail 600). They weight around 1700 gram and will replace 2 kg stock wheels. I will probably change alloy seatpost to carbon and 34 tooth ring to 36 if possible. After all these changes bike should weight around 10.5-10.7 kg.

My buddie's Epic HT weights close to 12 kg.

 

Thanks everyone who helped sort the headset bearing question. I followed that conversation in awe that no Specialized rep or shop was able to help with these questions. I had a similarly difficult time getting answers from Specialized regarding a warranty question. Is this typical of Specialized these days? I worked in a shop nearly 8 years ago and it was really easy to get in touch with them then.

 

Specialized are selling us what is supposed to be a package. You do not want to admit that your package may be incompatible with aftermarket components out there or that parts you ship with that package are in any way inferior to what you can get at bike-discount.de and other online places. Besides, the world has grown more populous, and simply replying to every query you get will add up to an enormous cost of support. So, you do not hang headset specifications up on your website, because it is not in your best interest, and you do not rush to keep every asker informed, because you do not want to spend that much on support. This just might be how it works. I do believe that what Specialized are selling us is in no way junk, despite reports that headsets wear out, because all headsets wear out and the pace of the wear depends on a multitude of factors. It is just the nerd in me that wants better stuff, even if it comes at a price. I also replaced the seat post, just for the sake of a hundred grams in weight savings.

 

Been lurking on this thread for a while and figured it's finally time to chime in.

I've been riding a Jamis Dragon 853 for the better part of the last 10 years and decided it was time to move on to something more modern. As my primary riding is XC I had started looking at frame options a few months back. My criteria when looking were modern XC geo, light weight, threaded bottom bracket, aluminum (resistant to rust), and cheap.

In my research I stumbled upon the Specialized Chisel. It ticked all the boxes. Aside from ticking the boxes I also really liked the aesthetic of the frame. Coming from an 853 frame I like the thin lines and smaller tubing of the Chisel. It really is a clean looking frame. I also really dig the East Sierras color. So I was sold.

I didn't want to purchase a complete stock bike, so I started looking for frames. I looked on and off over the summer and found this Large frame/fork/bar/stem combo on Pink Bike. So I pulled the trigger. I've been sitting on this frame since October while I rounded out the parts for the build. I've finally gotten all the parts together and it's finally time to get this thing built.

I'm a budget/value builder. I can't come to terms with spending crazy money on top of the line stuff when you can get 90% of the performance for 50% of the price. So I took that mentality into this build.

For the build I'm going all Shimano XT M8000 11 speed....even the M020 Trail wheelset. Cockpit is Ritchey WCS. Fork is Rock Shox SID. No carbon at all, no upper end Ritchey WCS stuff, no high dollar wheelset, just XT parts and aluminum cockpit with a basic wheelset. Solid, dependable, budget friendly, no nonsense build.

My goal was sub 22 pounds for sub $2k. The last of my parts finally came in and I've weighed everything out and added up receipts. Weight for the bits and pieces is 9952 grams, 21.94 pounds, and cost of all the parts came in at $1890.00. So I managed to just slip in under the wire on my goal.

I'll be building it up over the next couple evenings. I'll post finished pics when it's done.

 

Congrats! Looking forward to the pictures.

 

Well, finally got her built up! I'm really pleased with the way it came out.

Unfortunately it's been raining and the local trail is closed...so no trail ride yet. But I managed to get it out around the neighborhood and I really dig the modern geo. I've been on enough bikes over the years to tell that this thing is gonna rip out on the trail.

I'm really impressed with the Shimano XT wheels. They aren't the lightest, 2000 grams, but I got a brand new set for $250 so I couldn't pass them up. I like stuff to match and I don't like to mix groups and parts. I was gonna run it full XT and get some lighter wheels. But once I found these the prospect of keeping the bike full XT struck a chord. I figured with the overall weight of the rest of the build the bike would still be fairly light so the extra grams didn't worry me. They're really nice looking, cup and cone bearings roll smooth, decent engagement, 24mm width is perfect for the tires I'm running. Glad I went with them.

 

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Well, finally got her built up! I'm really pleased with the way it came out.

Unfortunately it's been raining and the local trail is closed...so no trail ride yet. But I managed to get it out around the neighborhood and I really dig the modern geo. I've been on enough bikes over the years to tell that this thing is gonna rip out on the trail.

I'm really impressed with the Shimano XT wheels. They aren't the lightest, 2000 grams, but I got a brand new set for $250 so I couldn't pass them up. I like stuff to match and I don't like to mix groups and parts. I was gonna run it full XT and get some lighter wheels. But once I found these the prospect of keeping the bike full XT struck a chord. I figured with the overall weight of the rest of the build the bike would still be fairly light so the extra grams didn't worry me. They're really nice looking, cup and cone bearings roll smooth, decent engagement, 24mm width is perfect for the tires I'm running. Glad I went with them.

Very nice! The XT wheels look great on it.

 

Looks great.

I am also building a budget chisel based on a 2018 stealth black expert frame.

I have sourced a lot of new stout parts including XC wheels so the build will be comp level but probably with 12 speed Shimano and better brakes.

 

Chisel 2020

Hello guys,

Congrats for your builds!
I am starting a project for a friend, Chisel frame 2020 satin brushed chameleon tint/tarmac black size S.
For groupset i got Shimano XT m8100 groupset 1x12 with a 34t chainring and 11-51t casette. Brakes also XT(2 pots) fron 180mm and rear 160mm rotors RT-MT800 centerlock.
The fork will be Rockshox Reba 2020-100mm travel and offset 51mm.
I will make the wheels from Dt Swiss XR331 (32h) and dt swiss 350 hubs front and rear with Sapim Laser spokes and Sapim Polyax green aluminium nipples colormatch with WTB tubeless valves.
Tires Specialized FastTrak 2.1 rear and 2.3 front, tubeless setup.
Seatpost from Pro Tharsis XC carbon 0-offset with Pro Stealth 142mm saddle.
Stem will be also from Pro Tharsis XC 70mm with -17deg.
Handlebar Pro Tharsis XC flattop carbon 720mm, with 9deg backsweep and 5mm rise and Esi extrachunky grips.
I will come back with details.

 

Nice! Post up finished pics!

 

I'll have the dropper in by spring. Rides damn good with my Rock Shox suspension post. I'll also be playing around with 27.5 +ish. I'm trying to keep it all black and silver if possible. New SWorks Fastrak/Renegade going on now. Small red print on those.

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Nice

 

Here's the start of my project.

An as new 2018 Expert frame in Matte black

 

Nevermind

 

Well it would appear that Specialised due to their own staff modding Epics with longer forks have released the Epic Evo (same frame 120mm fork).

With this in mind I have just sourced a new 120mm Recon at a good price and am going to try it on the build.

Anybody else running 120's?

TIA

Graham

 

Well it would appear that Specialised due to their own staff modding Epics with longer forks have released the Epic Evo (same frame 120mm fork).

With this in mind I have just sourced a new 120mm Recon at a good price and am going to try it on the build.

Anybody else running 120's?

TIA

Graham

I've been running a SiD 120, I have no complaints so far.

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Are there any Chisel users/riders from + 209 lbs/6.2 ft here who drive a XL cause I am wondering for example by the, Comp version if the Rockshox Judy and also the 24 spokes front wheel can keep up with these measurements and weight, the same for the frame of-course, cheers.

 

That would be me: 190cm and 95+kg.
I have no issues riding it on the intended terrain, xc style, short ups and downs. I did have a front spoke break on the long twisty paved descent (alpine road, 10km of descent).
The rear wheel sometimes (if I land awkwardly) gives an impression that it is to soft for me, but I can't tell if it is the tire, the wheel or the rear of the frame, might as well be a combination of all of them.
The rs judy is solid for an entry level fork, can't tell you much else, it works for me.

 

Thanks for this useful info !

 

Chisels and Rockhoppers are rated to 130kg plus