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Discussion starter · #521 ·
Buy frame at slight discount from dealer so maybe 700 otd. Backcountry and other sites have Shimano on sale all the time usually around 45% off. Maybe get a take off brain fork or just bite down and pay full price on a SID or Fox. Great wheelset of your choice again older enve sets were half off. Tons of great carbon stuff on extreme discount.

The frame advertised at 1350 grams, the 2500 dollar S-WORKS frame is 900 grams so your saving a few grand for a bike that’s almost the same weight, same exact geometry and the bang about durability of metal. Not to say that carbon is weak (check out the Santa Cruz durability test video) but I don’t like senless impacts on carbon and my daily bike takes a lot of bangs in the truck bed and just being a everyday carry type of bike.
 
#522 ·
Thanks for the extra tips and info!

As i said before, i am looking into my options and currently nothing used or ''take-off'' parts are on sale on sites like ebay etc.

Will have to keep those sites in check and see what pops up.

Due to some other reasons the wheel upgrade i planned for april cant come throught due to personal issues:(
 
#523 ·
Bikerholland said:
Thanks for the extra tips and info!

As i said before, i am looking into my options and currently nothing used or ''take-off'' parts are on sale on sites like ebay etc.

Will have to keep those sites in check and see what pops up.

Due to some other reasons the wheel upgrade i planned for april cant come throught due to personal issues:(
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If there are any facebook bike pages in your country/area keep watch on those as well.
That's where i got most of my parts.
I'm in the USA though.
 
#524 ·
~25 lb or so build. Super happy with it! One can get nitpicky, but 25lbs is a good weight level!

Build: many carryover from previous bike + some new parts.

Rockshox Gold ,1 1/4 , with adapter
Carbon lightbicycle hoops, novatec hubs, heavier spokes
Slx 2x11 drivetrain. Sram 11-42 (heavier ~550 or so gram cassette)
Carbon seatpost
Specialized bars
Tubeless
Conti tires
Deore brakes

Vs my older rockhopper (heavily upgraded) the mayor change is comfort (bars, geometry). Weight is probably within a pound as many components are similar spec level to older bike. Happy nonetheless as the bike looks fresh and the main diffference in $$ is frame cost... most added components are offset with the selling of the old items...

Overall speed, well... I changed the bike... not the biker... so similar!

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#525 ·
Weight 2018 Specialized Chisel vs 2018 Specialized Epic Hardtail

I wanted to know the difference in weight between the 2018 Specialized Chisel and the 2018 Specialized Epic Hardtail. So I emailed Specialized.

HERE WAS MY REQUEST ...

Can you tell me the total bike weight of each (both size large):

- 2018 Men's Chisel Expert - 1x (large)

www.specialized.com/us/en/mens-chisel-expert---1x/p/128882

- 2018 Men's Epic Hardtail Comp (large)

www.specialized.com/us/en/mens-epic-hardtail-comp/p/128971?color=239815-128971

Thanks.

HERE WAS THE SPECIALIZED RESPONSE ...

Thank you so much for reaching out! I do not have the size specific weights on file but I do have averages across the complete size run! Here are the average weights of the two models you are requesting!

Men's Chisel Expert -24.32 lbs.
Men's Epic HT Comp - 24.42 lbs.
 
Discussion starter · #526 ·
Pretty darn close! My S-WORKS Epic hardtail in large is a hair over 20 pounds with pedals and the cage with tool.

If those weights are everything that comes in the box fully assembled that would be reflectors and the standard composite pedals included.
 
#528 ·
Mike2MTB said:
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Men's Chisel Expert -24.32 lbs.
Men's Epic HT Comp - 24.42 lbs.
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Fastskiguy said:
So the fancy carbon bike that is more expensive weighs....more?
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That doesn't seem correct:

  • Both bikes have the same fork.
  • Both bikes have the same tires, F & R.
  • Both bikes have the same seatpost, saddle, and bars.
  • Both bikes have the same shifter, and RD.
  • Both bikes have the same brakes, and rotor sizing.

The wheelsets are a bit different, with the Epic having narrower rims, and fewer spokes, so I'd guess its wheelset should be a bit lighter.

The Chisel has the NX cassette (538g) vs the XG1150 on the Epic (394g), call it 1/3 of a lb less on the Epic.

Then we'd have the frames, and certainly the Epic's carbon should be significantly lighter than ALU.

So, I have no idea where those comparative numbers could come from.
 
#529 ·


Built it today. I didnt ride it yet... let´s see how it rides this weekend.

Fox 34 120mm
XT M8000 brakes, XTR Freeza rotors
XTR shifter, XT derailleur, XT 11-42 cassette, XTR chain
SLX cranks, Saint bottom bracket, Absolute Black oval 36 tooth chairing
Easton EC90 seatpost
Selle Italia SLR Superflow seat
Easton stem
Renthal Fatbar Lite handlebar
DT Swiss E1700 wheelset with 54t ratchet
Continental X-King 2.4 tires, tubeless

:cool:
 
#532 ·
phlegm said:
That doesn't seem correct:

  • Both bikes have the same fork.
  • Both bikes have the same tires, F & R.
  • Both bikes have the same seatpost, saddle, and bars.
  • Both bikes have the same shifter, and RD.
  • Both bikes have the same brakes, and rotor sizing.

The wheelsets are a bit different, with the Epic having narrower rims, and fewer spokes, so I'd guess its wheelset should be a bit lighter.

The Chisel has the NX cassette (538g) vs the X

Then we'd have the frames, and certainly the Epic's carbon should be significantly lighter than ALU.

So, I have no idea where those comparative numbers could come from.
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Phlegm, I agree with you with the exception of m-a-y-b-e the wheelset. I was surprised when I weighed my stock front and back wheel of the Chisel before changing wheelsets. Can't remember the back wheel precisely, but it was about 980 or so, but the front was 850. So at 1930 the wheelset is lighter than the wheelsets that used to come with the stock Stumpjumper hardtails as those were close to 2100. Of course I'm not sure if that Epic today has THAT wheelset or something different.
 
#533 ·
Just to clarify, I asked Specialized to compare the entry level Epic Hardtail (not s-words) with the top end Chisel. I like the Chisel, but was thinking I'd step up to the Epic and save a few pounds (saw a YouTube video claim 22.5 pounds on the Epic). I was surprised when Specialized Email Help told me they weigh basically the same. Wish Specialized would just disclose the bike weights on their site.
 
#534 · (Edited)
2018 Specialized Chisel Expert 1X vs 2018 Canyon Exceed CF SL 6.0 Pro Race

Has anyone compared the Specialized Chisel Expert 1X ($1850 alloy) to the Canyon Exceed CF SL 6.0 Pro Race ($2499 carbon)?

I'm looking at both bikes.

The Chisel has been my baseline ... and beaten every bike I've compared for value and my style of riding.

Love the bikes I've seen on this forum thread ... especially the custom builds.

But the Canyon looks cool at 10.3 kg (22.7 pounds) out of the box (if true).

Since Canyon sells direct, don't know how it rides.

Anyone have any insight to share?

All advice is appreciated.
 
#535 ·
Cons

Non boost frame and fork I think is the only drawback

Usually can't ride it first...but I'm sure it rides great

Giving your money directly to a nameless, faceless, soul-less overseas corporation instead of your friendly, helpful, struggling local bike shop. You know, unless you live in Germany, then it's just "nameless, faceless, soul-less corporation"

Pros

Direct sales=better value for your hard earned dollar pretty much every time. $2400 for a light carbon bike with a sid fork is a great deal, no doubt.
 
Discussion starter · #536 ·
Canyon is going to put a lot of these marketing brands out of business. Who is going to pay for a yeti when you can get a xx1 spectral for nearly entry yeti pricing? Most small brands are online only anyhow unless you live in a resort town where the handful of shops are.

Local bike shops will always have big brands like Trek and Specialized backing them.

That said my next bike very well could be a Canyon as they seem to have great customer service, zero tax and if you ask nice, free shipping
 
#537 ·
rakerdeal said:
Phlegm, I agree with you with the exception of m-a-y-b-e the wheelset. I was surprised when I weighed my stock front and back wheel of the Chisel before changing wheelsets. Can't remember the back wheel precisely, but it was about 980 or so, but the front was 850. So at 1930 the wheelset is lighter than the wheelsets that used to come with the stock Stumpjumper hardtails as those were close to 2100. Of course I'm not sure if that Epic today has THAT wheelset or something different.
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Yep hard to say. I'm guessing the Epic's wheelset is lighter based on the factors I mentioned, but the hubs could be different between the two bikes, or a few other factors. That said, I can't see there being a massive difference between the two.

Mike2MTB said:
Just to clarify, I asked Specialized to compare the entry level Epic Hardtail (not s-words) with the top end Chisel. I like the Chisel, but was thinking I'd step up to the Epic and save a few pounds (saw a YouTube video claim 22.5 pounds on the Epic). I was surprised when Specialized Email Help told me they weigh basically the same. Wish Specialized would just disclose the bike weights on their site.
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For my reality check I used the Epic Comp, and Chisel Expert. As we see, they share a ton of components. I agree, would be great to see final weights as spec'ed for each bike.
 
#538 ·
Interesting, and logical, view. I am far different though as I buy only Specialized bikes (currently the family owns 13 and I ride the Chisel, 2014 SJ Evo 29 FSR, and S-Works Roubaix); Toyota vehicles (multiple versions of Tundra, 4Runner, Prius; and Nautique boats (Air Nautique). I buy, use them for years, years and more years, then give them to nieces, nephews, great nieces, nephews. But they never leave the family and we use the hell out of em and they all keep on chugging.
 
#539 ·
Specialized builds great bikes.

My biggest complaint is their servicing of older bikes.

In 2003, I purchased a brand new Epic Disc (soft tail) with brand new "brain" rear shock. Laid out $2500 (about $5000 in today's dollars).

Rode it 20-50 times per year ... for the last 15 years.

Love the bike.

However, over the last few years, the rear shock has been slowly fading.

Brought it into my LBS and asked to be fixed.

No solution.

Specialized will not sell replacement and will not allow to be serviced.

I was shocked ... about my shock.

But after confirming with 2 other LBS and research online (and finding other sad Epic owners), I realize that my bike is now a heavy paperweight.

So I really want to get the Chisel ... but I'm still stinging from the loss of the Epic.

Thanks for letting me vent. Needed to tell someone.
 
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