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#683 · (Edited)
Just finished with build, up and running as of last night. I am at 23.25 lbs with the following:

2019 Rockshox Sid RL 29 crown lock
SRAM X01 shifter
SRAM GX Eagle deraileur
SRAM Eagle GX cassette
SRAM GX Eagle DUB Boost crankset
SRAM DUB BB
SRAM Eagle chain
Shimano XT 203, 180 brakes
Specialized alloy riser bar
Thomson 100mm alloy stem
XT pedals
Specialized alloy seatpost
Specialized chromo rail saddle
Mavic Crossmax alloy rims
Mavic Pulse Pro tires

Changing some bits over to this bike and will update weight, aiming for sub 23 lbs. Adding:

Specialized S-Works Phenom saddle
XTR pedals
Syntace stem
Enve M5 bar

Adding to post, got first ride in last night.

Have been on full suspension now since about 2003 and past couple of years on 6" travel Stumpy. First impressions is Chisel feels like a road bike which is shockingly good off road. Really surprised how sloppy my pedal stroke has become with rear suspension and high volume tires. First bit of ride I was pogoing all over the place and coupled with twitchy feel of bike and little confidence in XC tires left me thinking I made mistake building up a Chisel frame. After a few miles was starting to get back memories of riding a hard tail and really appreciating just how efficient this bike is at getting down pedal inputs; also quite fun just how easily it gets airborne over even smallish hits. By rides end I felt I will very much enjoy this bike.
 
#687 ·
Looking at the 2019 Expert spec, looks like they moved "up" to NX Eagle. I use quotes around "up" because it seemed like on the 2018 model, it would be easy to replace the 11-speed NX cassette with a Shimano 11 speed cassette. With NX Eagle, anyone know what the options are to ditch the NX 12 speed cassette? I honestly don't care about having the 12th gear as we don't have climbs around here that require a 50 tooth cog.
 
#691 · (Edited)
26 inch vs 29 inch wheels

I've had my 2018 Chisel Expert 1x for one month ... and rode it every day. Soooo much fun.

However, I pushed a little too hard down a rocky tech section yesterday, wedged my front wheel between two boulders, jolted to a stop, rear end went straight up in the air, balanced on the front wheel, looking straight down at the ground, thought I was going to endo, pulled it back down, but crashed the rear of the bike sideways into more boulders, and bent my rear derailleur. Did not recognize the damage, hoped back on my bike, tried to ride up a steep to do it again, geared low, chain fell off big cog, and jammed between the cassette and spokes (see picture with bike upsidedown). Chain wedged so tight, could not remove, and had to carry bike off mountain. Bummer.



Chisel now out of service, getting repaired. Totally my fault.

Wanted to ride today, so pulled out my old back up bike, 2003 Epic softtail with a blown rear shock. (Can you see that old "brain" rear shock in the picture? 2003 was the year of brain. Worked great for 14 years.)





Here is what I discovered:

- I really really like the Chisel.

- I rode the Epic for 15 years. But after 30 days on the Chisel, the Epic seems like an alien vehicle.

- The 29 inch wheels on the Chisel are far superior to the 26 inch wheels on the Epic. The 26 inch wheels are slower, twitchy, and less stable.

- I was shocked how much slower I was on the old Epic. Felt like I was moving at a snails pace.

This experience made me realize that we can "get used" to anything. I was used to the old 26. But the new 29 really is better. Initially, I thought it was hype to sell more bikes, but 29 is sooooo much better.

Hope that helps any "old-timers" like me out there who are still holding onto the old ways. Step up and get on one of these new 29 bikes (test ride, demo, borrow a friend's, something). 29 is faster, way more stable in corners, and quicker downhill. It will be strange for about a day or two. Then you'll fall in love, and want nothing else.

P.S. Another funny was the handlebars. The Epic had old 600 wide. The Chisel has 720 wide. MASSIVE difference when went back to 600. So narrow, it felt like I was holding the fork crown. The 720 is way more stable, expecially on fast descents.

UPDATE: I've been riding the Epic for several days while waiting for Chisel repair. Here are a few more observations:

- Wheel Size. 29 rolls UP and downhill better. The rolling resistance is definitely more with the 26 (now that I've had to go back). I'm getting stuck in sand, loose dirt, and loose rocks more on the uphill with the 26 ... and its harder to roll over large rocks (have to throw the bike more). I started to take for granted how efficient the 29 wheels roll OVER obsticles in both directions.

- Gearing. My old Epic has a 3x9 drivetrain. My Chisel is 1x11. Love the simplicity of the 1x. I do NOT have any better climbing on the 3x. Nor do I feel I have better top end.

- Weight. My old Epic weights 32 pounds with all gear (pedals, water bottle and holder, pump, seat pack with tools and spare tube). My Chisel weights 25 pounds with all gear (and tubeless). That 7 pounds is a BIG difference on the climb. It took me 6 minutes long to get to the top of the mountain ... and I felt GASSED on the Epic (total energy drain). The Chisel is so much lighter that it's is dramatically easier to get up the mountain. AND surprisingly faster down the mountain.

- Wider Rims. My old Epic has 20 mm rims with 26 inch 2.35 tires (originally had 1.95). My Chisel has 25 mm rims with 29 inch 2.3 tires (stock). The old Epic tires "fold" in on corners, edges, ruts, get lots of pinch flats, and lose traction. The new Chisel holds corners and stays on a line (on or off camber).

Conclusion: Love my Chisel. What a machine. : )
 
#695 ·
I've had my 2018 Chisel Expert 1x for one month ... and rode it every day. Soooo much fun.

However, I pushed a little too hard down a rocky tech section yesterday, crashed, and bent my rear derailleur. Did not recognize it, tried to ride up a steep to do it again, geared low, chain fell off big cog, and jammed between the cassette and spokes (see picture with bike upsidedown). Chain wedged so tight, could not remove, and had to carry bike off mountain. Bummer.

View attachment 1211588

Chisel now out of service, getting repaired. Totally my fault.

Wanted to ride today, so pulled out my old back up bike, 2003 Epic softtail with a blown rear shock. (Can you see that old "brain" rear shock in the picture? First year out. Worked great for 14 years.)

View attachment 1211589

Here is what I discovered:

- I really really like the Chisel.

- I rode the Epic for 15 years. But after 30 days on the Chisel, the Epic seems like an alien vehicle.

- The 29 inch wheels on the Chisel are far superior to the 26 inch wheels on the Epic. The 26 inch wheels are slower, twitchy, and less stable.

- I was shocked how much slower I was on the old Epic. Felt like I was moving at a snails pace.

This experience made me realize that we can "get used" to anything. I was used to the old 26. But the 29 really is better. Initially, I thought it was hype to sell more bikes, but 29 is sooooo much better.

Hope that helps any "old-timers" like me out there who are still holding onto the old ways. Step up and get on one of these new 29 bikes (test ride, demo, borrow a friend's, something). 29 is faster, way more stable in corners, and quicker downhill. It will be strange for about a day or two. Then you'll fall in love, and want nothing else.

P.S. Another funny was the handlebars. The Epic had old 600 wide. The Chisel has 720 wide. MASSIVE difference when went back to 600. So narrow, it felt like I was holding the fork crown. The 720 is way more stable, expecially on fast descents.
Everything you post something i love reading it.

So much enthiousiasm for the bike and the sport. Thanks for all the great posts and keep it up!

Bummer the Chisel is in the shop, but that can happen too anyone i guess;)
 
#696 ·
Still exploring the possibilities. At 5'11 and 32 inseam. I like a bike I can toss around. I'm old school (just old) and like the feel of my medium 2012 Epic Carbon Comp with a 90mm stem, which has a similar top tube length as a medium Chisel. In my mind I'm thinking medium with 90mm stem vs large with 70mm stem. I'll be using either 27.5x2.8 or 29x2.6ish. Thoughts?

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#697 ·
Still exploring the possibilities. At 5'11 and 32 inseam. I like a bike I can toss around. I'm old school (just old) and like the feel of my medium 2012 Epic Carbon Comp with a 90mm stem, which has a similar top tube length as a medium Chisel. In my mind I'm thinking medium with 90mm stem vs large with 70mm stem. I'll be using either 27.5x2.8 or 29x2.6ish. Thoughts?

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I am not sure 29x2.6 would fit. I have 29x2.3 tires on mine and it looks like there is enough clearance for 29x2.4, but not sure about 29x2.6.
I love my Chisel. It's an awesome bike.
 
#705 ·
I was just at my local Specialized store picking up some little things and ogling the sale bikes. There's a Chisel Comp in my size, but no Expert.

But I got to talking with the sales guy and he said the 2019s were available to order. He was excited because the Expert is getting 12 speed Eagle. Info is up on the site:

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/mens-chisel-expert/p/154335?color=239070-154335

I'm curious, though, the 2018 had 11 speed, but most of the drivetrain was GX (with an NX cassette). The 2019 is all NX. One more speed, but this strikes me as a bit of a step down in quality and maybe up in weight.

Admittedly, I have no experience on NX or GX. So for those for those who are in the know, what would you do? Find a 2018 Expert? Or go all eagle and get a 2019?
 
#710 · (Edited)
But I got to talking with the sales guy and he said the 2019s were available to order. He was excited because the Expert is getting 12 speed Eagle.

I'm curious, though, the 2018 had 11 speed, but most of the drivetrain was GX (with an NX cassette). The 2019 is all NX. One more speed, but this strikes me as a bit of a step down in quality and maybe up in weight.

Admittedly, I have no experience on NX or GX. So for those for those who are in the know, what would you do? Find a 2018 Expert? Or go all eagle and get a 2019?
I just purchased my 2018 Chisel 1x last month. The 2019 was not announced yet, but suspected the heavy NX Eagle would be on 2019. Although I was very interested in Eagle for steep hills, I decided against it for two reasons:

1. Weight of NX Eagle cassette / drivetrain.
2. Inability to immediately upgrade to lighter GX Eagle (or higher) due to hub not being XD.

As hesitationpoint mentioned, you'd need a new wheel.

So I pulled the trigger on the 2018. So glad I did. I have steep trails here in Colorado. So far, I have not needed a lower gear than the 42.

As an option, I figure I can always replace the NX 11 speed cassette with a SunRace CSMX8 11 speed cassette that achieves the exact same lower gear ratio as the NX Eagle cassette, but weighs less (485g) and only costs 50 bucks.

In the end, get a 2018 or a 2019. You are going to be happy either way. The Chisel is a killer bike.



P.S. My bike store did not have the Expert in stock either. Only the Comp (and I did test ride it - three times). Then I drove far away to find a store with an Expert to test. It does ride different ... lighter. Glad I went for Expert.
 
#706 ·
That NX Eagle cassette is heavy at 615g. Of course, the NX 11 speed was hefty too at 538g. I ended up buying a new wheel with an XD driver and put an XG-1175 on it (325g). Spend more and you can even get it down to 268 or something like that with one of the higher end SRAM cassettes. It might also be worthwhile to just upgrade to the Epic HT comp which comes with a carbon frame, better wheels and XD driver. That's what I would have done but my LBS cut me a good deal on the Chisel but couldn't do anything on the Epic.
 
#707 ·
Thanks for the breakdown. I had hard the cassettes were pretty darn heavy. Unfortunately you have to get up to the super pricey XO1 to make a big difference.

And thanks for the thoughts on the Epic as well. The new color on the 2019 is super sweet. But that's out of my price range. I'm hoping to stay below 2k. So for that reason I'm also scouring the used bike sales. My wife just got a killer deal on a used bike and it's light years ahead of what she was riding before. Everything is just a little dusty and pre-scraped, which makes that first crash a wee bit easier. So I guess my big decision is '18 Chisel v. '19 chisel v. used something.
 
#709 ·
Chisel Mud Ride, Self Service, and Nitro Button

Just got the Chisel back up and running.

Bent the rear derailleur hanger (see story above #691). Decided to fix it myself. Ordered a hanger tool (Park Tool DAG-2.2 Derailleur Gauge) and a stand (Foundation Bike Repair Stand). Both worked great. Only did minor work before (like changing tires and tubes).

This bike is sooo easy to work on. Now I've removed, reinstalled, and tuned the derailleur. Also, removed, cleaned, and realigned the rear brake disc and pads. Plus learned how to removed the cassette to free a stuck chain. All fairly easy on this bike.

YouTube videos are so cool. : )

I used to be scared of working on my own bike. Did not want to bust anything. But now that I am riding daily, figured I need to learn how to service this bike ... so I don't miss out on riding days waiting for a bike shop.

Took the bike up the mountain yesterday. After riding the old 2003 Epic, the Chisel felt SOOOOOO good. This bike flies up the mountain ... and down.

When I'm going downhill, if I do a quick bunnyhop, this bike TAKES OFF. It's like hitting a nitro button. Happened many times. Anyone else experience that?



This morning I rode Chisel after we had a nasty hail/rain storm last night. Lots of wet dirt and MUD. The bike did push thru it, BUT the tires caked mud and slowed down. The stock Fast Trak tires are NOT the best in mud (although they rock on dry surfaces).

That said, this race bike loves to run fast ... very fast. Love it.
 
#712 ·
New to the forum, and mainly a road guy, but the 2019 Chisel was too good looking to pass on for my initial foray into XC Racing (went with the Matte Black/White to match my Tarmac).

Quick question, hoping someone on here may know...

Is the driver body on the "Stout/Specialized wheelset" assuming they haven't changed it for 2019 able to be converted to an XD Driver?

Thanks in advance for any assistance that can be provided. Want to throw on lighter cassette and switch out a few minor parts once the bike arrives this weekend.
 
#721 ·
New bike day! Weighing in at 24.66lbs without pedals. Also had the shop put on a Power 155 Expert saddle to match the S-Works Power 155 on my Tarmac.

Will be switching the freehub body tonight for the XD version that specialized specified and replacing the NX with an XX1 Cassette and Chain. Updates forthcoming!
 

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#729 ·
Also had the shop put on a Power 155 Expert saddle to match the S-Works Power 155 on my Tarmac.
Nice, that's the saddle (Power Expert 155) I saddled, er, settled on on my Epic HT.
Great saddle and the extra width does wonders on that particular saddle for me.
I tried the Arc and that was a definite no go. Felt painfully violated every time I hopped on the bike.
 
#726 ·
Got to see and ride my first Chisel today. Bike seemed to fit me very well, seemed to handle very well and I like it a lot. Still in search of a large frame. Most likely going to have to get the Cali fade if I can get one before stock runs out. I'm just glad I got to swing a leg over one. It confirmed what I've been thinking all along.

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#730 ·
Is now available 2019 models of chisel?

- Soon, some have 12 speed

Another question from me is that I would like to upgrade my bike from crave to Specialized chisel expert.

- also have a crave

But I noticed that the fork lockout is only on fork.
Older bikes had lockout on handlebar. Is it convenient to use lockout on fork?

- EU market prefers remote lockout on steerer, US market not. No idea why. On steerer is more convenient but creates a cluttered handlebar. Mine broke twice also. I have both, and still undecided which one is better. If you need to use the lockout a lot, need to firm up your fork I think.
 
#732 ·
Having the fork too firm just makes you ricochet off things rather than aiding in pedaling Bob. Lockout is a must on XC due to speeds achieved

Is now available 2019 models of chisel?

- Soon, some have 12 speed

Another question from me is that I would like to upgrade my bike from crave to Specialized chisel expert.

- also have a crave

But I noticed that the fork lockout is only on fork.
Older bikes had lockout on handlebar. Is it convenient to use lockout on fork?

- EU market prefers remote lockout on steerer, US market not. No idea why. On steerer is more convenient but creates a cluttered handlebar. Mine broke twice also. I have both, and still undecided which one is better. If you need to use the lockout a lot, need to firm up your fork I think.