I've used the Shimano type with success, and one underneath the cleat is all I've ever needed. I'm not sure the cleat bolt is adequate length to stack two, but the spacers are stackable in any case. I prefer the rear point of the cleat aligned with the slot cut-out for my rides, if you're riding mostly flow you can slam them to the rear for best support. I add silicon seal to keep the debris out of the slots and spike holes if my shoes came without spikes, the screws in the spike holes don't help on the rocks. I prefer no spikes these days as they wear fast in the granite, although on some soil they do add traction if you have to hike-a-bike. I saw a hack for filling in the hex hole with candle wax to keep muck out too, kind of overkill to me, but hey! I've been wearing the lugged XC type shoes for years now, and I'm finding flat soles are more comfortable on and off the bike. My pedals have been Shimano SPD's for many years, all models. I usually turn the cleat adjustment on the pedals all the way out and then two turns in on initial use and adjust in from there. I'm currently riding flats with Ride Concept Talluc and my casual shoes are Vice. I'm considering Talluc flats with clips next. I wear medium volumn with a half size up, because frog feet!