Have you guys bought the new Albert Pro or Shredda tires?
Shredda is made from same as Albert.
Shredda is made from same as Albert.
Schwalbe Albert pro, Shredda tires ?
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Side knobs feel encouragingly sturdy. Won’t know for sure until I put some miles on them, but they do feel pretty solid. I will say that I never had much of an issue with the standard MM. It’s probably a rider weight thing.
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Rider weight probably plays a big role, now that you mention it. I’m 220lbs with kit and I found the side lugs on the Trail Ultra Soft to be unusably soft on hardpack, rocks, and loose over hard. A lighter rider would probably have better luck.
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If I didn't know what I was looking at, I would guess that the 2.5 Albert is 750g 2.3 tire. Mine came it at 1145, so not really worthy of going on the XC or trail bike with so many other options out there. Mine was well below 2.4 width on 30mm ID rims ...letting it stretch a bit before I ride it later today.
I suppose so ...however, I mostly run 2.4s even for park/enduro race and even on the front for daily driving my XC race bike. The 2.5 Albert comes in at 2.36 and thus is really strange just rolling out of the driveway. No 2.5 should be dwarfed by an 2.4 Ground Control.
I think a handful of us have discovered that the new Radial tires are not some sort of voodoo magic that was going to make the other products suddenly outdated. The hype didn't quite match the reality, for some of us. I hope that the MM radial really puts me in a great place with the radial tires, but I still find them too narrow for a front and the radial technology in fact, does not make up for this.
That said, I do think radials are the future. Radial Minions would be BONKERS and I'm certain Maxxis is working on this.
Where I see the Schwalbe radials really being game changers is on an aggressively ridden 27.5". I really don't think that the RR increase is much to worry about, and they offer some insane traction when you are climbing/ descending more or less straight up and down. It's a big improvement over a typical 27.5" tire which seem to lack in this situation.
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In addition to what you're saying, Its sounding to me a bit like trail casing might not be a good idea with the radials. @codahale's ride report sounds like textbook "casing" problems to me. With the squirming, folding, and deflection anyway.
Although it also sounds like the Albert was too closely packed with knobs to be useful there?
I've been running an Argotal DH/SS for the last year, and have really found it to work well as an all-around tire (I'd say it does better on hardpack than the Kryptotal Fr is on loam, if that makes sense, with both of those being their relative "weaknesses".) The casing feel of the continental DH casing is amazing. I am curious about these radials, but it sounds like the Magic Mary, or Shredda tires in gravity casing might be more my style.
Not sure I'm the best to assess 'casings'. Guys talk about stability and all that, but it's not something I notice much.
I'm 180#s, don't wear a hydration pack, my bike is pretty light at 44#s, but also my terrain is just so loose and rocky that I think I need less stability in my tires than other people do. At my skill level and locations, there are no berms that I'm slamming against and putting a bunch of sideways force into my tires. I knew an enduro/ DH racer that did the Pro class, that rode our terrain on 900 gram Snakeskin Schwalbes, said he didn't have an issue. This is a guy that breaks a lot of frames in fact, like several a year.
What I can say was that my previous set of Mazzas felt like absolute rigid rubber, even at low pressures. They rode so damn harsh that it affected everything else, not in a good way, and for a moment I thought my suspension was broken.
I do experience weird movements from the radial Schwalbes but only from the front trail casing (ever landed a large jump on Berd spokes and felt a weird momentary sideways flex, it's like that) but it's just a sensation and doesn't seem to affect anything else in my case.
I'm 180#s, don't wear a hydration pack, my bike is pretty light at 44#s, but also my terrain is just so loose and rocky that I think I need less stability in my tires than other people do. At my skill level and locations, there are no berms that I'm slamming against and putting a bunch of sideways force into my tires. I knew an enduro/ DH racer that did the Pro class, that rode our terrain on 900 gram Snakeskin Schwalbes, said he didn't have an issue. This is a guy that breaks a lot of frames in fact, like several a year.
What I can say was that my previous set of Mazzas felt like absolute rigid rubber, even at low pressures. They rode so damn harsh that it affected everything else, not in a good way, and for a moment I thought my suspension was broken.
I do experience weird movements from the radial Schwalbes but only from the front trail casing (ever landed a large jump on Berd spokes and felt a weird momentary sideways flex, it's like that) but it's just a sensation and doesn't seem to affect anything else in my case.
I have only seen one mention of the Shredda. But he is a Schwable sponsored influencer in the PNW.
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It could well be that the same bias-cut carcass with stiffer sidewalls could get the side lugs to bite while still giving you a bigger contact patch, for sure. But I’m left wondering who the hell the Trail casing is actually for.
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Stollen from a German forum, but a good image peruse while we talk in circles about tread pattern 😁 All 2.5 size radial tires. Albert, Magic Mary, Shredda Rear and Shredda front. Do with it what you will. Mary looks more open than the Albert to me, but kinda wish it had the Shredda Rear cornering knobs. I'm also kinda wondering if that sort of squirmy feeling I get from the Mary's versus the Tacky Chan's is that intermediate knob kicking in and not any actual squirm in the corning knobs.
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Staring at it some more, a clipped down Shredda Front is my favorite looking pattern. Doesn't mean jack s**t until I ride it, but I have just come to prefer 2x2 patterns for where and how I ride. And if I cut it down, it will weigh less 😁
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That's f-ing hefty. Definitely won't be putting it on my regular trail bike.
I think people are just used to ride with bigger tires, but 2.35-2.4” is a good size. I never had any problems with the old 2.35" Magic Mary’s, and I remember when they changed to 2.4”, at first it was strange, but after couple of rides I forgot about it.
Also, people shouldn't expect to get the same support and stability from a lighter/thin casing as you do from a SuperGravity and DH casing.
Also, people shouldn't expect to get the same support and stability from a lighter/thin casing as you do from a SuperGravity and DH casing.
For a lightweight and non-aggressive rider.
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The Albert looks low key like a WTB Trail Boss in this comparison (knobs pretty packed together, smaller height).
The Shredda rear looks like a MM on steroids IMO.
The Shredda Front looks like a WTB Verdict Wet/Continental Argotal on steroids.
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I'm currently lugging around two DH tires of my own free will, and have a resultingly heavy ~39lb bike.Gravity Pro Magic Mary 1340g
Gravity Pro Albert 1330 / 1350g
Shredda rear 1500g - probably don't need cushcore in that
Shredda front 1470g
But 1500g is a lot of weight even for me. On the other hand the Radial MM seems like a pretty reasonable weight for a gravity casing.
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Same here. Wavy corner knobs, alternating patterns of center knobs, periodic transition knobs, all silly. 2x2 with a solid row of side knobs is what you need. Not sexy, but predictable.
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RIP Legend.
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