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Road Quill Stem on Rigid SS?

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#1 ·
I've been lurking here for a while since I built up my old Kona Cindercone into a sweet little singlespeed. Thanks for all the answers so far!

I haven't been able to find an answer to my latest question, though, so I figured I'd tap into the collective wisdom. Last week I snapped my OEM Kona Velocity quill stem, and I've since learned how challenging it is to find a cool, 1 1/8 x 130mm x 10degree replacement. Salsa still claims to sell their chromoly SUL quill in a bunch of sizes, but I think it's technically a 26.0mm road stem. What's the concensus on using a "road" stem for rigid, off road use? Is it structurally the same as an "MTB" stem, but with a larger diameter clamp? If so, and I use one with a shim (to accommodate my EC90 carbon riser bars), will I need to worry about slipping or creaking?

Thanks in advance,
CCSS
 
#2 ·
Try Nashbar

The website is //www.nashbar.com/ .They have 4 options posted currently. Three stems and one quill to threadless adaptor which would allow the use of a current type stem of your chosing. Can't honestly say I've ever noticed one on a bike. They tend to have a lot of outdated stuff at good prices. You can get on the list to recieve catalogs also, they send me nearly one every month it seems like.
 
#4 ·
Check with your LBS. they can probably help you out. They also might be able to find out if salsa does in fact still make quill stems with a 25.4 clamp diameter. If those things fail, one of the LBS here where I live (Spokane, WA) had a nice supply of such stems (Control Tech and Profile I believe) last time I checked. I could get you their info and I'm sure they would be glad to send you one

YO MAMA
 
#6 ·
Thanks for the info

But I'm still curious to know if people are successfully using "road" quills for semi-aggressive, rigid singlespeeding -- especially the Salsa SUL quill. I really like the look of the Salsa stem (cool brand, sorta retro, real-steel, etc.), and I'd like to avoid the quill-to-threadless thing. Still, I don't want to kill myself on a fast, bumpy downhill!

Thanks,
CCSS
 
#7 ·
CCSS said:
But I'm still curious to know if people are successfully using "road" quills for semi-aggressive, rigid singlespeeding -- especially the Salsa SUL quill. I really like the look of the Salsa stem (cool brand, sorta retro, real-steel, etc.), and I'd like to avoid the quill-to-threadless thing. Still, I don't want to kill myself on a fast, bumpy downhill!

Thanks,
CCSS
Sorry, I can't help on the road bit, but I have an old control tech 1-1/8" stem (mtb) that
I could part with for shipping if you are interested. I think it's ~120 or 135mm, 5 degree
rise and sorta decent looking (although it has been bouncing around in my parts box for
years).

Looks like this but without the noodle (I think):

http://www.bikepro.com/products/stems/contech.html

baker
 
#9 ·
I don't know about the road quill stem on a mountain bike, especially a rigid ss used for semi-aggressive off-road riding. The stress put on a road quill stem is probably less than that on a mtb stem. I don't know if I would want to be the one to find out though!! Good luck!
 
#10 ·
TdF

if the old quill stems were tuff enuff to handle the pothole'd and gravel roads of The Tour in days gone by, why shouldn't they handle some singletrack?

I'd do it. But don't print that out for your attorney :)
HW

CCSS said:
What's the concensus on using a "road" stem for rigid, off road use? Is it structurally the same as an "MTB" stem, but with a larger diameter clamp? If so, and I use one with a shim (to accommodate my EC90 carbon riser bars), will I need to worry about slipping or creaking?

Thanks in advance,
CCSS
 
#11 ·
CCSS said:
But I'm still curious to know if people are successfully using "road" quills for semi-aggressive, rigid singlespeeding -- especially the Salsa SUL quill. I really like the look of the Salsa stem (cool brand, sorta retro, real-steel, etc.), and I'd like to avoid the quill-to-threadless thing. Still, I don't want to kill myself on a fast, bumpy downhill!

Thanks,
CCSS
Well mine wasn't 1 1/8", but 1" and I won't ever do it again. The stem literally ripped from the welds after about 8 months of riding. Luckily it failed not on the downhill, but shortly after when I pulled again to go uphill. If it had failed a minute earlier I would have impaled myself.

If it was me, it's not worth going with a quill stem. Just get one of those adaptors and be done with it.

DT
 
#12 · (Edited)
Try the Cyclocross forum at www.roadbikereview.com, they may have some ideas. My cross bike has seen some nasty courses,and it came with a 1in threadless steel stem that took all the abuse no problem. As far as quill goes there is a lugged steel quill stem at www.rivendell.com that they basically advertise as unbreakable, of course its a road stem so you never know. BTW its 200+ bones.... Good luck!
 
#13 ·
Don't take it as gospel, but I would say you'd probably be ok, just use some common sense. That is, don't use the cheapest, lightest stem available. Use a more expensive, but not ultralight stem. Salsa's website does say that they still make it with a 25.4 mm clamp. I'm not sure there was ever much of a difference between the road and mtb stems from Salsa other than clamp diamter. In word, you'd probably be fine with just about any Salsa stem

Frankly, since you like the salsa stem, i would just email or call them

800-762-4688

email: pman@salsacycles.com

They just might answer your questions directly.

And to back up what the above poster mentioned, the profile stems are darn nice for the price. I got one after some meth-head stole the old no-name off of my townie and likes it just fine.

YO MAMA
 
#14 ·
Hollywood said:
if the old quill stems were tuff enuff to handle the pothole'd and gravel roads of The Tour in days gone by, why shouldn't they handle some singletrack?

I'd do it. But don't print that out for your attorney :)
HW
Anyone who thinks a road stem can't take a beating has never watch Paris-Roubaix. That race is 100 years old and hundreds of quill stems have raced and dozens have won. Big tires and low pressure take the edge off those bumps. 120psi, and stiff forks rattles everything. I've been down roads so rough and fast that I could no longer focus, Old Toll Rd near Hornitos california is more patched that road and a downhill run on it loosens fillings.

george
 
#15 ·
CCSS said:
I've been lurking here for a while since I built up my old Kona Cindercone into a sweet little singlespeed. Thanks for all the answers so far!

I haven't been able to find an answer to my latest question, though, so I figured I'd tap into the collective wisdom. Last week I snapped my OEM Kona Velocity quill stem, and I've since learned how challenging it is to find a cool, 1 1/8 x 130mm x 10degree replacement. Salsa still claims to sell their chromoly SUL quill in a bunch of sizes, but I think it's technically a 26.0mm road stem. What's the concensus on using a "road" stem for rigid, off road use? Is it structurally the same as an "MTB" stem, but with a larger diameter clamp? If so, and I use one with a shim (to accommodate my EC90 carbon riser bars), will I need to worry about slipping or creaking?

Thanks in advance,
CCSS
I have an unused Velocity quill stem, 1 1/8 x 130 x 5, kind of titanium coloured. It's gotta couple of scratches on the mouth of the clamp other than that it's mint. Your's for the cost of shipping. PM me if you're interested. Here's a link to its previous life on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3642450115&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6
 
#16 ·
Wow -- Y'all Rock!

Thanks for all the great input -- especially Baker and Mine'sAPint for your super-kind offers! Nothing like advice from folks who've "been there, done that."

I think I'm going to stay retro with the quill until I'm ready to upgrade to a nice ti rigid fork, at which point I'll go threadless. In the mean time, I'm going to take Mine'sAPint up on his offer since the Velocity stem will keep my vintage Kona in stock spec.

Thanks again -- talk to you all later,
CCSS
 
#17 · (Edited)
CCSS said:
Thanks for all the great input -- especially Baker and Mine'sAPint for your super-kind offers! Nothing like advice from folks who've "been there, done that."

I think I'm going to stay retro with the quill until I'm ready to upgrade to a nice ti rigid fork, at which point I'll go threadless. In the mean time, I'm going to take Mine'sAPint up on his offer since the Velocity stem will keep my vintage Kona in stock spec.

Thanks again -- talk to you all later,
CCSS
Right on, stem on the way! Make sure you post some pictures of the old gal when you get her back in one piece again :)