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Looking for a new 29er medium/short travel bike. Currently the new 2017 Rocky Mountain Element and the Pivot 429SL (boost version) are my top choices. Ripley is also under consideration.

Anyone have an favorite options in that class of bike I should consider? Jet 9, Intense Primer and Tallboy 3 would also be nice but I don't like their color schemes. SB45 looks good but doesn't have a good bottle mount. ASR-C isn't boost yet.
 
My thoughts are somewhere around these boards, mostly on the Pivot board, on my 429SL. Definitely love it, it's what I was looking for. I suppose a 120mm fork would make it a bit more relaxed, but I'm not looking for a relaxing ride, I was looking for an XC racer, and as an FS bike, it's way more relaxed than an XC hardtail IMO. Super fun.
 
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I just ordered a 429sl with a 120mm boost fox34. I'll let you know after I spend some time on it. I wanted a racey xc bike but don't intend to race it.

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I Owned Mach 429 SL Mach 429 Trail and Tallboy 2. Last week i demoed Rocky mountain Element 999 and Ibis Ripley OG.


1.The Mach 429 Trail and the IBIS Ripley are the most comfortable bike of the 5. Despite the fact that these bike uses the DW link (which is incidentally less plushy than the VPP) the additional travel adds a lot of comfort to the bike. The neutral and central position on the bike also adds much comfort. The tallboy is a comfortable bike mainly because of the plushness of the VPP. If you add a Pike as fork on either bike ... this is heaven :).

2. Mach 429 SL is the less confortable of 5. The RM Element is an interesting bike. The 100 mm rear is definatly not plushy but the geo keep this bike fast, fun and poppy. The reach is good and i liked the rear position on the bike when i wanted take some air.

3. DWLink exceeds the VPP for technical climb but remains firmer downhill. The VPP is the opposite, hard on climb but plushy down hill. To summarize the Pivot Mach 429SL or Trail are excellent technical climbers ( better than the tallboy) but the Tallboy climb faster. Downhill I prefer the plushness of the VPP of the Tallboy. However in very technical or rocky desente the travel surplus of the Mach 429 trail and more open fork angle ensures that the mach 429 trail will forgive much more than the tallboy or the ripley. So he will be safer in this case.


3. The Mach 429 Trail is an agile bike but above playfull. On this bike, every little bump incite you to jump in the air and have fun with the track. The tallboy is even more nervous and agile especially because of the short top tube. This bike have a razor sharp handling especially when cornering are tight. However the short top tube is somewhat boring when want to jump over a small bump or ride over a drop. Your position a the front of the bike gives you an imbalance sensation or a feeling that the bike is unbalanced.

4.The best thing you can do for both bike is to change the fork for a RS pike ... the fox 32 (you also find the Mach SL 429) is really not a fork that I liked. Flexy, not very plushness and not very reliable. The OEM fox 34 fork on the Mach 429 Trail is good but you have to really push the bike hard to get its benefits while the pike will give you an incredible level of comfort and very low speed. In short, the fox is excellent at Higher speed while the pike will give you incredible low speed performances well as in the technical trail

5.The ripley is an outstanding bike ...Fast ...Really fast!!, agile, fun...a great climber. The top tube is not too short. Everything is perfect... I loved this bike. Probably my next one...

6. Outline are: Tallboy and ripley are nimble bike with an incredible nervousness that will pull all its advantage in flowly singletrack with very tight turns while the Mach 429 Trail will pull all its advantage in technical climb and during big descenstes with rock and jumps.

7. The Mach 429 SL is a good bike but i think you have better alternative. The major complaint i have with this bike is the lack of agility and playfullness caused by a too long top tube....
 
I'd ridden the previous generation Element, and was not impressed. It blew through the travel too fast, wallowed out the saddle, and in the saddle climbing over technical terrain. The new Element is vastly improved. There was still a bit of wallow or hitch up when climbing through technical terrain (e.g. over a big root or rock), but had a snappier feel out of the saddle. I had a hard time finding the grip point for the rear tire out of the saddle though, and spun out quite a few times. Rocky has always nailed the geometry for technical riding, IMHO, and the new Element is no exception. Descending, the bike tracked well, and felt comfortable in a neutral descending position. The rear end was stiff, and smooth under braking. It still had a XC bike feel when descending, the suspension didn't feel bottomless. I didn't have a chance to play with the Ride 9 (bike was set up in Neutral position) which may have changed the suspension feel somewhat. The second water cage below the shock is good in theory, but it only fits a very small bottle (not even a can of bearspray)
 
The new Element definitely bucks the trend as far as pedaling characteristics, looking at most of the RM bikes at the time of and before the new Element, there's a lot more "WTF?" going on, with extremely low anti-squat, even at sag point, meaning it's just going to mush up hills. The harder you pedal or fight back, the more it'll mush. On these older RMs, it's far worse than most horst-link implementations. I believe that's what the poster above is referring to.

That said, the new Element seems to keep a fairly steady % above 90 throughout most of the travel. That's pretty impressive. The Pivot 429 is still a bit more, but it may not be a drastic difference in feel, especially because it picks up a few extra % points in smaller rear gears (like where you'd stand and sprint). The only area I'd be a bit skeptical about is the rear suspension leverage ratio, which appears to be significantly progressive, going from about 3:1 down to about 2.1:1. While progressive initially sounds good, this would be a good curve for a coil shock, not so much an air shock. I think the net effect with this much progressiveness coupled with how air-shocks are inherently progressive is it would end up pretty harsh on the bumps.

Anyway, I do like my 429SL a lot (just back from a ride tonight). I like how it handles, I like how it puts the power down, the suspension does a good job, etc. It's a good racer bike and also good for places with smaller mountains, like the midwest, south, etc. I got it to be a racer-bike, as I have a couple other bikes for other purposes. I think they did a good job of balancing out the characteristics on it. I think if you have to put a 120mm fork on it, 34mm or bigger stanchioned fork, 2.3 tires, and so on, you should really consider the 429 Trail, over the 429SL. Both are great bikes, at least I know the 429SL is!
 
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I ended up getting the 429SL. The price was right and I liked the parts spec. Only one ride so far but I'm impressed. It's a great all around xc bike. The Fox 34 is good, not great, compared to pikes I've ridden. Not sure if that can be overcome with set up or not. As I said it's a great bike especially at the price I got it for.

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Congratulations! I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of these. I know it comes with a 34 even though it's more than I need (150 lbs./ 5'6"), but it is what it is despite having little idea what fork flex is. I have the 32 now @100mm and it's fine for me though in some situations I wish I had a bit more travel.

What size did you get and what are your specs? I'm interested to hear more!

What's the stem length? I noticed you've got a few spacers on top of your headset- How's the fit?

I also wish the rims were just a bit wider as well. I'm all about tire pressure these days. For some of the nastier trails I ride, a wider rim/tire combo, which I equate with lower pressure and grip, can make the difference between surviving and thriving on a tricky section. Not that one can't ride a wider tire than what's spec'd, but every bit helps.
 
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