[digilux]

it is not only about body proportions, it is about weight distribution.

One of the better contributions in this thread so fare. I agree on the w&b and cg issue. But like i have stated in the start of the thread this is the stem and bar i have for the moment. I will test this setup befor i swap anything.

 

[hollister]

Well ok where did i put my sorry feet wrong here? Why are some of you almost acting unfriendly here?

And whats about thread no 8 - I still dont get it... feed me With a spoon please

the amount collective knowledge here is amazing, take advantage of it. there's lots of good advice from multiple sources

I've tried the drop bar ritchey thing with too low a stem, I didn't enjoy it. the handling was not to my liking

post #8 was friendlier way of saying this

you're hell bent on setting it up the way you have it. have a blast, I hope it works out well for you.

 

[Rumpfy]

Well ok where did i put my sorry feet wrong here? Why are some of you almost acting unfriendly here?

And whats about thread no 8 - I still dont get it... feed me With a spoon please

We're nicely trying to tell you that your set up is bad. Its not being done to put you down or criticize you, its being done to save you wasted time and heartache. Everyone commenting have drop bar bikes, so we're sharing our collective knowledge and experience.

Our thoughts and suggestions seem to be annoying you. And thats ok too, but its also when the vultures start to circle....thats the unfriendly you're feeling.

 

[MendonCycleSmith]

Agreed. There's some initial surliness to some folks responses, but they are simply being themselves, and trying to help you out. Don't react to the vibe, and you'll be fine.

Their experiences may help you more quickly figure out why it is it really doesn't feel that great when the rubber hits the trail.

Like any internet excursion, a thick skin, and willingness to ask why, is better than a thin skin, and holding fast to the fervent belief that it will work as you think.

Have fun with it.

See? You now know why JT did what he did. And why he swapped over after a while.

Try to get that info from your local 16 year old at Bike R Us.....

:thumbsup:

 

[digilux]

1. Relax i just didnt see the sarcasm
2. I never said I was using JTs setup as a template
3. It's the bar and stem I have for the moment
4. it's most likely a language barrier - three years in flight school I the south states probably didn't improve my English
5. I really appreciate your input but please leave out the inner circle codes and sarcasme

I'm juping the hey with the wifey - race weekend tomorrow and I need a massage ;-)

 

[yo-Nate-y]

Yep, our bad. I should have read post #8.

Still.

One way to think about this--and everyone's attempt to offer you advice on positioning--is to imagine where a flat bar would be instead. That is already a pretty long stem you have-- if you had a flat bar where your hands need to be for that drop bar (that is to say, on the hoods or in the drops) then the "imaginary" stem to make it work would be like 350mm.

= a stem that is crazy long and for handling: wrong.

You want your drops high enough and close enough that your main hand positions (on the hoods and in the drops) aren't so far off from where they would be with a regular stem/flat bar set up. Hence---short and tall stems you see for most offroad drop setups....that Ritchey doesn't have a very tall head tube, so the stem needs to do some work to get your bars in the right place.

As it stands (unless you plan to ride exclusively on the tops), your best hand positions are nearly over the front axle. Exhibit A:

 

[MendonCycleSmith]

5. I really appreciate your input but please leave out the inner circle codes and sarcasme

All good.

Just remember, you can't go into a local bar for a drink without being exposed to the "locals"....

Wish I was "juping my wifey".

 

[IF52]

Not to pile on, but...

I tried the 'it's what I have on hand' route about 16 years ago, which resulted in a bike setup like what you posted and I was so put off by the really horrible setup that I didn't try drops offroad again until maybe 5 years ago. And it was all thanks to the friendly folks on this forum that I got the setup right this time.

Nate's picture is excellent reference

And look for the single consolidated drop bar thread and read through it.

 

[mainlyfats]

You could always do this with it: F. Moser Motard

 

[digilux]

You could always do this with it: F. Moser Motard

Thanks for a realy nice inspiring F. Moser drop bar MTB. Love the build and couloirs

 

[bushpig]

I just checked out this thread after the other one. I don't see people being too spicy. I have to agree with the rowdies about the stem but am with you and Laffeux on the bar. I don't really like dirt drops so much but like drops on the dirt.

Consider a Nitto DD stem.

 

[Slimpee]

I once swapped drops onto a hybrid and didn't think about how much further over the front axle I would end up. I rode it for about, oh, 5 minutes before going back to the shop and getting a shorter stem with rise...much better.

 

[digilux]

Dear fellow bicycle enthusiasts

Then I'm back (oh No!!! some of you might bark out loud...) Its been a fantastic race weekend here in Norway. We held the first ever Birken road race today, with a small twist of Paris-Roubaix in it. Although we dont have cobblestone roads here in the land of vikings - we have great gravel roads. So this ca 150km course have a short ca 1km gravel section to kinda split the peleton a bit. We had 1500 paid starters but only 990 of them set out from start this morning at 0830 due to rain strong wind and 4ºC or 39ºf.

Then back to the seeds of (my) misery... the Ritchey "please drop dead" bar project...

If (some of you) had read what I did write about the Ritchey beeing to small for me compared to my other bikes you could have seen why I am being so stubborn about the stem length. But since I had it with your spoon - I'll give it to you with mine...

Here are my other regular horses measured from seat tip to handlebar center and hand positions.
And before you start barking about my other bikes being different kinds of bikes etc etc etc... riding positions do change from bike to bike frame style to frame style, angles are different etc etc etc we agree on - yes? - so please do not bark ;-)

I probably got "it" all wrong this time also - but I dare

 

[MendonCycleSmith]

Dear fellow bicycle enthusiasts

"Dear fellow self promoting band of brothers"

Original opening line.

I'm a nice guy, mean no harm to anyone, but my headscratchometer is starting to fire up here.

You're welcome to play with the locals, but don't get your knickers in a twist when they play back....

Have fun.

Nice stable BTW.

 

[hollister]

I called it back on page 1.

do your thing yetiman, have a blast

 

[digilux]

...Nice stable BTW.

Thanks!... (stable ... Stable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) hope all this was just a language barrier

 

[MendonCycleSmith]

Thanks!... (stable ... Stable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) hope all this was just a language barrier

Think that falls closer to "crib" using "hip hop vernacular"....

Stable, as in collection of horses, turned into a collection of bikes using "biker vernacular".

Yetiman Hollister? Remind me, I love a good trainwreck. Was thinking of Kyle when all this began.

 

[mainlyfats]

Back in the days of super long stems I had two particularly crazy ones that I used to try and make bikes that didn't fit theoretically fit. One was a 180mm Everest stem (the custom RoMo brand) and the other - and this one still makes me chuckle when I think about it - was a slammed negative rise 150mm Salsa (25.4mm for a mountain bike). Trust me that the Salsa looked cool.

Unfortunately, the Salsa was also completely unrideable. The 180mm Everest put so much weight on my front wheel that I washed out on every downhill corner.

I bring up the Salsa because another stem that they made, in addition to really wide bars, might just be your answer. You don't have to go really long if you go wide (said the bishop to the actress).

 

[mainlyfats]

P.S. Set back seatpost will gain you some space too.

 

[sandmangts]

Here is my old Ritchey with a Salsa stem. I was going to drop bar this one but it was a 17 inch frame so it was a bit small for me so I sold it. Still kinda wish I kept it because it had the Suntour Browning auto shift system which actually worked.