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Feedback—> WAY, WAY too expensive.

 

Do u have one? Please reply back if u do as all I've spoken to that have in hand don't have a problem.

 

My updates just say I'm in the queue. Still waiting to order. Come on Darren, help me out.

 

At $2,600 I will live with my Fox 36. I’m sure everything about this fork is simply amazing but what type of user based will they actually have at that price?

 

We don't need another thread. What we need is a MODERATOR! 🤦‍♂️

 

We need a monorail?

 

Probably a bit spammy on my part....but I was tagged in this one from today:

 

Wish they referenced trail names. Specifically I want to hear about how the fork performed on Tunnel.

Also fwiw I was talking to Lars from trailhead about the fork last week and he was equally impressed riding rocky/rooty steeps in Santa Cruz.

 

I think with something like this it's important to consider that it's a luxury product for extremely downhill-focused riders. I love pedaling as much as descending, don't have infinite budget, and will choose lighter options when available, so...not for me. But if I was the kind of rider who might be something like a Nucleon or other gearbox/supre drive/high pivot enduro bike, and was already looking at an EXT or intend shock/trickstuff or intend brakes, etc. than why not? If you're comparing it to a Zeb or 38, it seems to me that the weight delta isn't problematic, and I assume that a lower price tag wouldn't greatly increase the number of users adopting this fork. Clearly, the $1600 price tag of the Elevensix hasn't stopped those who are looking for that experience.

The only thing that throws me off for the travel range. I can't see any reason to run a 38 or Zeb outside of the 160-180mm travel range, and I imagine there are folks who would love to run this at 180mm and can't, but I don't actually see any reason to run it at 140mm.

 

I think with something like this it's important to consider that it's a luxury product for extremely downhill-focused riders. I love pedaling as much as descending, don't have infinite budget, and will choose lighter options when available, so...not for me ...

The only thing that throws me off for the travel range. I can't see any reason to run a 38 or Zeb outside of the 160-180mm travel range, and I imagine there are folks who would love to run this at 180mm and can't, but I don't actually see any reason to run it at 140mm.

Never tried an inverted fork, but other manufacturers say the set up is different, and in particular you use much less sag. So you do not "loose" those 20-30% mm of travel. See for example Bright Racing Shocks, MTB Suspension specialists that goes as far as saying that their '150mm BRIGHT-RS is "fuller" in terms of usable travel than a commercial 180mm fork'.

Anyway, I am with you about the weight. Given how old I am getting it would be nice to get a PUSH fork for my last bike, but it would have to be less enduro oriented ... 😔

 

Just cause they cost £2300 more than my recent Metric Rough cuts, does not rule out me knowing that these would be impressive.

Soz pushed, I stopped playing lotto. 😁

 

The new carbon Dorado looks lovely too mind.

 

What's the A2C of this fork set at 170mm?

 

I smell a DH fork in the future. I mean, why not?

 

I know he said that but i believe it had more to do with current coil inventory, can't tell me it's just a coincidence that the acs3 range was also 140-170.
I just can't see many people wanting a 2800gr fork for a 140 trail bike vs 180 Enduro but maybe I'm wrong, who knows but that's just my opinion.

I don't follow your logic. If you were going to spend 4 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars developing a chassis and internals to sell at a premium price, would you let something like a 10$ spring inventory limit you?

I most definitely would have done the first prototype with that spring, just for proof on concept, but I certainly would not consider it beyond that unless I determined my market was for that travel, and that spring could do the job.

I'm gonna limit my posts in this thread. But I have some important info to add here.

170mm is the maximum you can get from most 300mm long coil springs. 300mm springs are used by Foxzocchi, Formula, MRP, Ohlins and Push in forks with 170mm max.
Vorsprung get 180mm from their Smashpot but use 400mm long springs. The 400mm long springs require a completely different internal arrangement as the stanchions aren't long enough to house the spring assembly. So an internal assembly is required to retain the spring and manage top-out.

The internal assembly is not possible using the ASC3 air-bump-stop system as they occupy the same space.

The weight gain from 300-400mm springs is huge. Because a 400mm spring has to be 30% stiffer in each coil to be the same rate overall as as 300mm spring it is approx 30% heavier. That is in addition to a new assembly required inside the spring to control stroke and top-out.

This is why a 200mm travel coil spring Dorado Comp is 3,600g. The spring itself is freaking heavy.
A 180mm coil USD fork will be hard to make under 3kg.

Hopefully I can clear this up. The travel range of the NINE.ONE fork has nothing to do with ACS3 fork springs. The ACS3 has been a wildly successful product for us and has its own product path.

@l'oiseau is 100% correct in the fact that the cost of developing and producing new fork springs would represent less than 1% of the total development costs for this project. It also would have represented very little time investment.

@Dougal you are not correct when you say that it's not possible to use the internal assembly to get 180mm of spring travel in our chassis. I can't speak for the Smashpot, but we can certainly get the travel without the weight that you're referring to as our fork springs are very lightweight.

As @thesqueakywheel mentioned, the 140mm to 170mm travel range was simply a product decision based on talking with our customers. Nothing more. A lot of our customers ride a Yeti SB140, Santacruz Bronson MX, Orbea Rise, Specialized Levo, Trantiion Sentinel, Evil Offering, Forbidden Druid, Pivot Switchblade, etc etc. These customers utilize 160 and 170mm max travel forks. We built what they wanted.

 

the 140mm to 170mm travel range was simply a product decision based on talking with our customers. Nothing more. A lot of our customers ride a Yeti SB140, Santacruz Bronson MX, Orbea Rise, Specialized Levo, Trantiion Sentinel, Evil Offering, Forbidden Druid, Pivot Switchblade, etc etc. These customers utilize 160 and 170mm max travel forks. We built what they wanted.

You say 160-170 was what most people wanted correct? Then why not make it 150-180 so 10mm up and down from your 2 most requested travels instead of all the way down to 140 excluding 180? I'm curious on the decision since I feel like fork is better suited for all mountain/Enduro than light trail. Thanks

 

So has anyone purchased one of these $2,600 forks? Does anyone know someone who is planning to purchase one?

 

I'm not sure if you saw the first post of this thread, but this whole discussion was started by a customer that bought one and gave a ride impression.

 

Seems like a weird decision to have a fork like that go down to 140mm. I sure wouldn't want that big heavy brute on a little trail bike. Makes zero sense.

I would be stoked to have it on a big bike running at 180mm or even 190mm.

You say 160-170 was what most people wanted correct? Then why not make it 150-180 so 10mm up and down from your 2 most requested travels instead of all the way down to 140 excluding 180? I'm curious on the decision since I feel like fork is better suited for all mountain/Enduro than light trail. Thanks

I'm having Deja Vu. First the cost, now the travel...



At least Dougal's commentary is exciting.

 

Enough drama please

 

And you people wonder why more industry professionals don't come here. It's a good thing that PUSHIND has the patience of a father with eight six year olds.

 

I was thinking the same. Our level of discourse is pathetic. Darren has far more patience than I would with grown men acting like toddlers.

 

Conduct yourselves in an adult manner before penalties, bans and public floggings are liberally administered.

 

Just found an ignore button under loiseaus profile.

Thanks mtbr

 

Maybe there is a plan for another fork with longer travel than 170, I mean other manufacturers do it, why stop with only one fork.

 

The weight is pretty much the same as a 98 Z1. For us that ride coil n oil, we won't notice the weight. Do some PUSH ups.

 

Nah. Z1 was ~2.1kg, not 2.8: Weight Weenies - Suspension Forks

 

We've had a number of questions about 220mm rotor compatibility so the guys put this together:

 

@PUSHIND, what is the A2C @ 170mm?

 

I know that it's comparable to what is currently on the market, but let me get with engineering and get you the correct answer.

 

@PUSHIND
Can you post any photos damping cartridge used in 9.1?

 

@PUSHIND
Can you post any photos damping cartridge used in 9.1?

I don't really have a good pic. Here's something:

 

Thanks, thanks. On the top side is blader?

 

No...we use a pressurized IFP

 

No...we use a pressurized IFP

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Darren, you wrote somewhere about "reversed design" of the damper cartridge.
Does it mean the IFP is at the bottom and the red end of the damper rod towards the top cap?

Do you have some numbers for suspension nerds?
Such as piston OD, damper rod OD, base valve OD, active midvalve or check valve?

I'm actually happy with my FOX 38 with smashpot and maybe soon a sc5 cartridge (probably because I don't yet know the next level), but you fork is beautiful!

jeanjean

 

Ok so chiming in on this thread for the first time. I own these forks. Whilst I don't have enough time on them to give a solid review yet I can say I am beyond happy. Once I get some more time on them,in a week or so when I get to the bike park I'll post up some real world feedback. Until then I'd like to address a few things though.

Firstly cost. Everyone was upset about the cost of the ElevenSix when I bought mine in 2015 or 2016 I can't remember. Point is it is still going strong, zero issues. My mates on the other hand, have ALL had at least 2-3 shocks. Some of those shocks failed, others they couldn't get set the way they wanted etc. Point is, in that time they have spent more on shocks than an ElevenSix costs. Would they have been happy on an ElevenSix, mostly I think they would have. I suspect that the NineOne will fall into the same basket. Yes it's a big outlay all at once but I think that once you've been on one, you won't be changing, that's how good it is and it will still be going in 8 years like my ElevenSix. Plus the ease of self service means even the most basic of home mechancis can keep these running sweet and won't have to fork out (no pun intended) huge dollars on servicing their forks.

Secondly travel. IN MY OPINION 95% of all riders are over-travelled. I am in no way a pro but I have ridden what most would consider some very big lines. Dirt Merchant for example I would consider a big line for context but I have hit bigger. I did all of this on my Evil Wreckoning with a 160mm fork. I would argue that most of the time even at 160mm I had plenty of travel. I am currently running the NineOne's at 170mm on my new Dreadnought (which also has an ElevenSix) and it's great but I'm buggered if I could tell the difference. The reason, how often am I compressing my fork to it's complete travel? Very very little. On big jumps where I've stuffed up only. And being a coil the fork feels pretty much the same no matter where it is in it's travel so I'd argue that unless I bottomed it you couldn't tell if it was 140 or 170mm whilst riding most day to day trails. Again, IN MY OPINION people equate more travel with being better. I've seen it a lot, especially with newer or younger riders.

Thirdly, why the negativity?? Bitching about why Push went the way they did is going to do FA. They did it. You didn't. When you choose to build a product you can build it however the hell you want to. I just hope you enjoy dealing with that one person that you didn't cater for somehow, bitching about why they know better than you do.

Finally as I have stated before on this forum, I am an unabashed Push Groupie. I have NO affiliation with them whatsoever. In my experience they make the BEST products out there currently. Furthermoe, they or their distributors have always provided me with excellent service which is why I am loyal to them. Most people will happily sh!tcan crap products or poor service and I think it's equally important to recognise the good stuff.

That said, I've obviously raised my head above the parapet and am probably about to be flamed. Doesn't change anything I said but have at it.

Anway, rant over, will provide some real world feedback on the forks in a week or so.

Cheers Scott.

 

Ok so chiming in on this thread for the first time. I own these forks. Whilst I don't have enough time on them to give a solid review yet I can say I am beyond happy. Once I get some more time on them,in a week or so when I get to the bike park I'll post up some real world feedback. Until then I'd like to address a few things though.

Firstly cost. Everyone was upset about the cost of the ElevenSix when I bought mine in 2015 or 2016 I can't remember. Point is it is still going strong, zero issues. My mates on the other hand, have ALL had at least 2-3 shocks. Some of those shocks failed, others they couldn't get set the way they wanted etc. Point is, in that time they have spent more on shocks than an ElevenSix costs. Would they have been happy on an ElevenSix, mostly I think they would have. I suspect that the NineOne will fall into the same basket. Yes it's a big outlay all at once but I think that once you've been on one, you won't be changing, that's how good it is and it will still be going in 8 years like my ElevenSix. Plus the ease of self service means even the most basic of home mechancis can keep these running sweet and won't have to fork out (no pun intended) huge dollars on servicing their forks.

Secondly travel. IN MY OPINION 95% of all riders are over-travelled. I am in no way a pro but I have ridden what most would consider some very big lines. Dirt Merchant for example I would consider a big line for context but I have hit bigger. I did all of this on my Evil Wreckoning with a 160mm fork. I would argue that most of the time even at 160mm I had plenty of travel. I am currently running the NineOne's at 170mm on my new Dreadnought (which also has an ElevenSix) and it's great but I'm buggered if I could tell the difference. The reason, how often am I compressing my fork to it's complete travel? Very very little. On big jumps where I've stuffed up only. And being a coil the fork feels pretty much the same no matter where it is in it's travel so I'd argue that unless I bottomed it you couldn't tell if it was 140 or 170mm whilst riding most day to day trails. Again, IN MY OPINION people equate more travel with being better. I've seen it a lot, especially with newer or younger riders.

Thirdly, why the negativity?? Bitching about why Push went the way they did is going to do FA. They did it. You didn't. When you choose to build a product you can build it however the hell you want to. I just hope you enjoy dealing with that one person that you didn't cater for somehow, bitching about why they know better than you do.

Finally as I have stated before on this forum, I am an unabashed Push Groupie. I have NO affiliation with them whatsoever. In my experience they make the BEST products out there currently. Furthermoe, they or their distributors have always provided me with excellent service which is why I am loyal to them. Most people will happily sh!tcan crap products or poor service and I think it's equally important to recognise the good stuff.

That said, I've obviously raised my head above the parapet and am probably about to be flamed. Doesn't change anything I said but have at it.

Anway, rant over, will provide some real world feedback on the forks in a week or so.

Cheers Scott.

Nice summary, and looking forward for more feedback once you’ll get more time on the fork.

About the travel, part of the reason people want a 180mm fork is to maintain their bike's geo… sure you can add 10mm spacer below the HT, but I prefer an extra 10mm of travel instead.