Coming May 31st, according to Pivot website. Any ideas what it is?
My old Titus Switchblade was one of my favorite bikes ever.
My old Titus Switchblade was one of my favorite bikes ever.
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Where did you get the Mach 6 geo data from? The 2014/15 model and the 2016 model have the same geo.
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Actually the published numbers did change as above. But it was obviously about how pivot decided to use a tape measure. I never saw a real explanation for it from them.
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There is no difference between the actual bike geos from 2014/15 to 2016. Just pointing that out so folks don't think swapping between models will provided a different geo.
Actually I have a Mach 6 Medium, and just before I ride the Small.
I like the Wheelbase and reach of the M and the seat tube and stand over of the S...
When I look geometry, I think the SB in small will be the perfect mix of what I like
Even if it would be my first 29"
A little piece of my mountains, a friend take a video of our last ride saturday :
I'm the guy forward with kenny shirt green/white and Mach 6 but it's difficult to see him
I like the Wheelbase and reach of the M and the seat tube and stand over of the S...
When I look geometry, I think the SB in small will be the perfect mix of what I like
Even if it would be my first 29"
A little piece of my mountains, a friend take a video of our last ride saturday :
I'm the guy forward with kenny shirt green/white and Mach 6 but it's difficult to see him
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As already stated, those are the published numbers directly from the pivot geometry charts. Pivot must have recalibrated their measuring devices over the last 2 years.
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It's not any change in the physical dimension but rather a change in what those numbers really mean in usable amounts. The actual seat tube able is one thing that "changed" because it's more of an "effective" angle so we went with the revised numbers to give a more accurate value for comparison with other bikes... Not sure about the HA variance unless it's to reflect the stack height of the fork.
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When I measured my effective STA on my M6 I got the number in the revised geo chart.
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KRob - posted a SB review: Outerbike Test Sessions: Pivot Switchblade - Mtbr.com
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Appreciate the insight. I'm sure it's a challenge to keep with trends with loose industry standards in rapidly changing industry.
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It really is quite baffling to me how some reviewers can have such a dramatically different experience then I've had with the same machines. :skep:
"it (the SB) didn't feel super plush on rougher descents and didn't seem super smooth on smaller trail irregularities, an area where the Ibis Mojo 3+ really shined."
Right now a Mojo 3 sits in my garage and my wife has adopted it as her rig. I have about 300 miles on the M3 and my wife about 7 rides. We both rode the exact same route back to back on the M3 and SB in 27+ mode on the same day. To us the SB felt considerably more plush. Contrary to Krob's experience I found the SB DID seem to have the deep plush suspension feel that Krob seemed to be looking for. This is the entire reason I've decided on the SB for riding and racing - I feel like I can outrun the M3, but the SB just seems to be begging for more.
I'm still a little confused how Krob and I could have found the same bikes to feel almost the opposite. This could have been setup, or it could have been an overused and undermaintained demo bike (I've had some pretty crappy impressions of bikes from demo bikes including a bike with a blown fork damper).
I'm with you on this one totallyIt really is quite baffling to me how some reviewers can have such a dramatically different experience then I've had with the same machines. :skep:
"it (the SB) didn't feel super plush on rougher descents and didn't seem super smooth on smaller trail irregularities, an area where the Ibis Mojo 3+ really shined."
Right now a Mojo 3 sits in my garage and my wife has adopted it as her rig. I have about 300 miles on the M3 and my wife about 7 rides. We both rode the exact same route back to back on the M3 and SB in 27+ mode on the same day. To us the SB felt considerably more plush. Contrary to Krob's experience I found the SB DID seem to have the deep plush suspension feel that Krob seemed to be looking for. This is the entire reason I've decided on the SB for riding and racing - I feel like I can outrun the M3, but the SB just seems to be begging for more.
I'm still a little confused how Krob and I could have found the same bikes to feel almost the opposite. This could have been setup, or it could have been an overused and undermaintained demo bike (I've had some pretty crappy impressions of bikes from demo bikes including a bike with a blown fork damper).
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I now have 4 rides on my Switchblade 27.5+. Love it! Best bike I've ever ridden. So much fun. Rode the bike home from work today, I'm out of shape, slow, and out of shape. Every ride so far I'm faster up and down. I feel so comfortable on the bike, and capable. Just need my lungs to catch up!
Built it up with the Float X2. Luckily with the latest version.
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Built it up with the Float X2. Luckily with the latest version.
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Don't know why this is shocking. It's an opinion. Kent is a good rider and a good bike reviewer. But like every other human, he comes pre-programmed with his own tastes in what he likes in a bike. Just like you and me.
If you love the SB, then keep on loving it.
Having owned one for a bit, I'd agree overall with his assessments. I strongly preferred it with 29 over the B+ setup. I did not have the same issue with square edge hits that he articulated; in fact, I thought the bike was really nice in that regard. However, I did find it to pedal a bit "heavy". And I mostly agree with his assessment of overall plushness. I found the bike to be really nice and plush on single big hits. On successive hits at higher speeds, the shock got pretty overwhelmed.
Had I kept the bike, a shock upgrade would have been first on the list.
If you love the SB, then keep on loving it.
Having owned one for a bit, I'd agree overall with his assessments. I strongly preferred it with 29 over the B+ setup. I did not have the same issue with square edge hits that he articulated; in fact, I thought the bike was really nice in that regard. However, I did find it to pedal a bit "heavy". And I mostly agree with his assessment of overall plushness. I found the bike to be really nice and plush on single big hits. On successive hits at higher speeds, the shock got pretty overwhelmed.
Had I kept the bike, a shock upgrade would have been first on the list.
i think a lot of that review has to do with the shock. i have ridden x2 from day one and yesterday went out on my topaz. rode about 12 miles but nothing too fast or big and it is so wet and leave covered i couldn't really push it but i do think the x2 may be lusher with better support and that makes a huge difference. i am gonna ride again today on a faster and longer trail and will have a better comparison but i think the sb is truly a great all around bike. 275+ definitely makes it feel a little numb especially with the 3.0 dw tires but that isn't the bike it is the product of the high volume tire and once we learn to use the tires it really shreds. i am surprised people keep saying the larger tires cant corner well as i find that to be wrong but again those that say it are running maxxis i think and that is the issue. i ride with enough people to know i am not the fastest but that i also ride at a good pace and am pretty aggressive with the lines i take and this bike handles it all and makes me feel very in control.
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I'm definitely not dissing his opinion. I know we all have different tastes in what we like or want in both trails and bikes and that leads to very different desires and opinions. What's surprising is that we had the opposite interpretation of the same two machines. There's not much more to this than, "Huh, that's weird. I wonder why that happened?"
It's a great bike for sure, but there were things I didn't love. Mostly that it felt heavier than it really was. The SB never really came alive for me unless the trail began to get steeper and it seems to need more encouragement to pop off of roots and rocks to get airborne (compared to other plus bikes). Given some of the different impressions I'm hoping some of that can be adjusted by fiddling with the shock a bit.
I do wonder in some reviews of this and other plus bikes how much time the rider/reviewer has on the + tires. I've gone back and forth but spent most of the past year on the plus. I can't say that one is truly better overall (better at certain things for sure) but I can say it's a different overall riding experience between plus and non-plus. I have traction for days on the plus tires cornering, but it's only on "normal" tires that I can actually feel the corner knobbs digging in. I can see how someone who like to feel every bump in the trail would dislike the plus experience.
Just observations not really seeking answers to anything...
i bought a dvo to use until the x2 issue is sorted.....used dvo but looks pretty good, rode about 25 miles the last 2 days. first days less elevation but lots of tech climbs with roots and rocks covered in leaves, shock felt OK i though maybe there was less traction but since i wasn't wide open it was hard to tell. yesterday rode my go to trail with a lot of fast downhill on all types of terrain from loose dirt to shale to some small to mid sized drop to roots, pnw riding. i hate to not like this shock as the dvo people are awesome but it just doesn't offer what the x2 does. i hit this small drop that i hit on every ride and crashed pretty hard-twice. it is about 3-4 feet into some roots, rocks and really uneven terrain. but i just got bucked off the bike and felt out of control, i have been riding long enough to know if i make an error but where the x2 absorbs and stays in control the dvo just felt weird. i went back up and ht the same line again after slowing the rebound a click to see if that was the cause and the same thing. all the way down the mountain i just felt like the bike didnt have the same control or traction as the x2 and i had a few more pedals strikes. this is with the sag set right at 30 and 4 of their volume spacers in the shock so if anything it should have more support yet it made the bike just not feel right. to me riding the dvo is more dangerous than the x2 and i really had to concentrate on keeping the rear tire on the ground verse letting it rip with the x2. it has been raining a ton but yesterday it cleared up and was warm so conditions were perfect outside of fix simply making a truly superior product i don't know what else could have been the cause....maybe this is why pivot only recommends fox???
i've been told by pivot that that size air can doesn't work with the switchblade linkage for whatever reason. they were testing the float x for awhile and said no go. x2 or the evol can.
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