Those of you who ordered the complete XO1 build who's gotten Next SL cranks vs XO1 cranks?

I see a lot with the Next SL but the more recent pictures show XO1.

I ordered mine already but it's on a slow boat to me here in Alaska...

 

I ordered my XO1 on 1/20 and picked it up 2/18 and it had the Next SL cranks. Also the apparently new bars, grips and stem that Pivot is now featuring on the website.

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Hi,

Not sure if this topic was already there at some point, but Pivot has two exotic "standards" built in the Switchblade.

Hopefully someone can answer my questions concerning these:

I guess if I destroy the crank arms, can I simply buy crank RF arms somewhere, as the independent wider RF crank axle is the "non" standard here? I am a little paranoid when it comes to non-standards and possibly travelling over longer time or to more remote areas with a bike.
(Bad experience - since then I am one of the guys who has a derailleur hanger in the backpack...)

For the wheelsets, are they available individually and do I go through Pivot? In case I want the other size 27.5+/29 additionally. What about individual prices of the DTSwiss OEM wheelsets? Are the known?
What if I want a 30mm inner width 29er rim? Conveniently possible? Are the "super boost plus" hubs available at the aftermarket and can I, re. my LBS or a wheelbuilder order them and build a custom wheelset?


Thanks!


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Hi,

Not sure if this topic was already there at some point, but Pivot has two exotic "standards" built in the Switchblade.

Hopefully someone can answer my questions concerning these:

I guess if I destroy the crank arms, can I simply buy crank RF arms somewhere, as the independent wider RF crank axle is the "non" standard here? I am a little paranoid when it comes to non-standards and possibly travelling over longer time or to more remote areas with a bike.
(Bad experience - since then I am one of the guys who has a derailleur hanger in the backpack...)

For the wheelsets, are they available individually and do I go through Pivot? In case I want the other size 27.5+/29 additionally. What about individual prices of the DTSwiss OEM wheelsets? Are the known?
What if I want a 30mm inner width 29er rim? Conveniently possible? Are the "super boost plus" hubs available at the aftermarket and can I, re. my LBS or a wheelbuilder order them and build a custom wheelset?

Thanks!

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Regarding wheels...

The rims are whatever. Get what you want. For the hubs, yes, there are several vendors that have the "super boost" rear spacing. You will just have to get them custom ordered or built. I9, DT Swiss, Stans....you have hub options spanning budget ranges.

 

@BoomShakkaLagga i put in a standard RF Next SL, flipped chainring to adjust for the chainline.
Super Boost Plus hubs from DT should come this year for aftermarket, however you can just use a standard DH hub as well.

 

You can use a regular RF Aeffect crank with a flipped standard cinch chainring. The crank Arms will clear the chainstays, and the flipped ring will give you the 57mm chainline.

 

Selling my stock 29er Sunringles. Message me if you want some cheap 29er wheels for your Switchblade.

 

My switchblade came with the standard alloy aeffect crankset and I upgraded to the Next SL crankset. The NEXT SL came with the standard 134mm spindle and I bought the specific spindle that Pivot told me to get which is Race Face Part # F30037. The chainring I'm using is the Absolute Black 30T Oval (NON BOOST) version and my chainline I measured is 59mm. I see most are saying the optimal chainline is 57mm. I haven't seen any issues with 59mm chainline as of yet. I've got about 600 miles on the drivetrain and I've never had to make any adjustments. Chainware seems normal and no issues with the cassette or chainring. If I wanted to get to the 57mm chainline, whats my best option to get there? Remove a space or something between the crank arm and bottom bracket?

 

Do your cranks have the thin alloy spacers on the spindle? We've been shipping them with Three 1mm spacers & One 2.5mm spacer on the non-drive side and One 1mm & One 2.5mm spacer on the drive side. You can move spacers to adjust the chainline for specific rings as needed, usually just move a 1mm spacer over to the drive side.

 

Anyone running a 160mm fork? Thoughts?

 

I suggest reading through the pages in this thread... there are dozens of pages about 160mm. Plenty of other great insights too. Many have loved 160mm with zero stack headset cup.

 

Anybody using a Cane Creek shock on their Switchblade? Looking to upgrade and wondered if anyone has had any mounting issues with Cane Creek. Looks like you just need to make sure you get the right mounting hardware when you order the shock, but looking for someone who has real experience.

 

Had one on my Mach 6 as,well as several friends. Had to send back three times with performance issues within six months,clunking,dead,squeeking. All of us had similar issues,word was that upper Pivot linkage put stress on shock causing premature failure.

Seriously consider the Fox X2,I have had several CC on other bikes and performed great but X2 is all that in comparrison properly set up.

 

I had to send mine back 3 times on my Mach 6 as well - ironic. They too blamed the Yoke design, not the shock. I finally demanded a new one and since then, it has been very good. Will probably go X2 on my next bike.

Not to change the subject, but it looks like there are several owners who have gone from a Mach 6 to a Switchblade. Currently looking at this bike as well as a Wreckoning, SB5.5, and a Jeffsy. Any downside to the Switchblade compared to the Mach 6. Love my bike, but I am ready for some new geometry.

 

I had to send mine back 3 times on my Mach 6 as well - ironic. They too blamed the Yoke design, not the shock. I finally demanded a new one and since then, it has been very good. Will probably go X2 on my next bike.

Not to change the subject, but it looks like there are several owners who have gone from a Mach 6 to a Switchblade. Currently looking at this bike as well as a Wreckoning, SB5.5, and a Jeffsy. Any downside to the Switchblade compared to the Mach 6. Love my bike, but I am ready for some new geometry.

I came from a Mach 6 that I loved. The Mach 6 was definitely more playful; easier to toss around in the air and pop off just about anything. But no comparison in stiffness to the SB as it loves speed and hold lines better in rocky terrain. It's also very balanced in the air so bigger tables and drops with a transition seem effortless. The 29" setup and more centered riding position also helps me clean technical climbs that I found difficult on the Mach 6. I missed a bit of the plushness at first but got it dialed for my local trails so finally sold the 6. It takes a bit more work to finess the bike through some technical sections but a bit less rebound damping in the front and rear made a huge difference in improving it's playfulness.

 

Just got my 27.5+ wheels to complement my 29er wheels. Very impressed with the ability to roll over rock beds vs. navigating thru them. Climbed just as well as my 29er's, and a blast downhilling. Glad I got them!!!

 

Which wheelset did you go with? Custom build or off the shelf from somewhere?

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Is the right X2 the 2017 with the EVOL can?

 

I purchased a set of stock pivot wheels from my LBS. they came with the rims, rotors, tires and cassette the same as my XT/XTR build. No issues swapping them out and lines up perfectly.

 

Hi guys - I've been having issues with carbon cranks on my Switchblade. So far I've cracked 2 sets of Next SL G4's and 1 set of Sixc's.

Traditionally, I'm a big fan of Shimano cranks - xt, xtr, saint have all treated me well in the past, not to mention great bottom bracket longevity.

What options do I have that will fit the Switchblade that aren't total boat anchors as far as weight is concerned?

Thanks in advance!

 

Hi guys - I've been having issues with carbon cranks on my Switchblade. So far I've cracked 2 sets of Next SL G4's and 1 set of Sixc's.

Traditionally, I'm a big fan of Shimano cranks - xt, xtr, saint have all treated me well in the past, not to mention great bottom bracket longevity.

What options do I have that will fit the Switchblade that aren't total boat anchors as far as weight is concerned?

Thanks in advance!

Wow. I ride in rocks and my Next SLs and SixCs have held up. Are you a Clyde or are you slamming your cranks into rocks? Are you doing big drops? Light is nice, but if you ain't ridin you ain't ridin.

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You're probably more aggressive than most including myself. I'm an XT fan boy but SRAM X9s and BBs are pretty tough. Could always try the new E13 carbon cranks.


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You're probably more aggressive than most including myself. I'm an XT fan boy but SRAM X9s and BBs are pretty tough. Could always try the new E13 carbon cranks.

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Are those available in at least a 173mm q factor and along w/ a 56mm chainline? It doesn't look like the x9's are and can't find info on the e13's right off.

 

Duh. I forgot about the new standard. Atlas? They are heavy though.


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Finally got my SB up and running. Best technical climbing bike I have owned thus far.

The stock DT plus wheelset is pretty good and f/r Dirt Wizards have superb traction. Planning to migrate a Derby 29er wheelset from the old Lunchbox for faster rides.

Full application of helicopter tape with shelter tape on chainstays and downtube. Bash guard and an oval 30T, might drop to a 28T. Stock shock is fine but definitely eyeballing the X2.

 

Great looking bike! I had the X2 on mine and prefer the DVO Topaz that I just installed over the X2.
On the X2, I wasn't able to get rid of the bobbing up and down while pedaling without using the lockout switch. With the lockout switch, it's absolutely firm - more than I would expect.
The DVO is smoother on washboard roads and does not bob up and down at all while pedal or standing out of the saddle - it's an overall much more comfortable ride as well. Climbing is more efficient than the X2 even with the DVO wide open.
I ride primarily at South Mountain in Phoenix where most of the riding is XC with some very light downhill on Ranger, National and Javelina trails.

 

Just rode National the other week on a trip through Phoenix and Sedona. Awesome technical riding, Waterfall was nice n zesty. Will look into the DVO Topaz thanks!

 

Joined the Switchblade club this past weekend! I'm still getting 'er dialed in but first impressions are solid. My build is mostly stock Team XX1 29'er with the Float X2 upgrade. I swapped out bars stem, grips, and saddle just to get my contact points where I like them, bolted on a One-up bash guide, and swapped in a 2.5 Minion DHF WT up front. My bike shipped with the 17 mm lower headset cup for 27.5+ installed so I left it in for now.

First impressions, the stiffness is just off the charts. I've never experienced a 29'er with such point-and-shoot precision. I have quite a bit of time on the 29'er Reynolds Blacklabels in 142 form and the difference between that and Superboost is pretty significant. Pedaling performance is best described as snappy. Even though my bike built up with no considerations for weight, it has a real sense of urgency jamming up fire roads and very responsive to out of the saddle efforts with the X2 pro-pedal engaged.

I'm very curious to see how I feel about the climbing position and increased reach with the intended zero-stack cup in place. Reach drops from 440 to 430 with the 17 mm cup and it certainly feels a little short compared to my medium Firebird which sits at 445. On the up side, the extra 17 mm stack makes the Switchblade super playful, it's effortless to bring the front wheel up, barely have to weight shift back. 29" wheels + 17 mm cup = fun mode? I have a Works -2º headset on the way to play with as well. I really like running a 35 mm stem but even with 785 bars to calm it, the front gets a little nervous at speed with the 66.5º HTA (that also means it's quite responsive at low speeds, tradeoffs...).

And yeah, I did manage to fit a small bottle and cage but the positioning is not dialed quite yet. TBD if I can get it to where it fits well.

 

That looks amazing, congratulations! It's the first and only pic I've been able to find with Eagle XX1 installed and an X2, exactly the spec I'd be looking at.

 

I'm really interested in the One Up Bash Guide you installed. What part number is it and where did you get it? How difficult is it to install? Any issues with it?

 

No problems, super easy to install. You can find them at most large online retailers, this is the exact part:
https://www.oneupcomponents.com/products/bashguide-iscg05

I also really like the MRP's AMG and SXG guides which will also bolt right up without hassle:
Chainguide Overview - MRP

 

So if I drop 5k or so in this bike I have to jerry rig a piece of rubber down there?


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So if I drop 5k or so in this bike I have to jerry rig a piece of rubber down there?

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You could Derek rig it!

 

Got another ride in last night. I've decided that while I won't be leaving the 17 mm lower cup in long-term that is darn fun. The front end is so light that descending is a near constant front-wheel high, pivot on the rear axle affair. Hooligan riding at its finest albeit, probably not the fastest way down the hill. For those concerned with pedal strikes, you can be almost reckless with the 29" wheel and 17 mm cup combo, even running flat pedals.

Climbing is still pretty darn good with the tall cup but I have to lean forward just a touch more than I'd prefer. I'm running my saddle all the way forward but the short 35 mm stem limits my weight shift. The 35 mm stem is also a bit too quick steering with the stock HTA for fast trails but is a blast on the really twisty-turny stuff. Hoping to have my -2º Works headset in for the weekend to calm things down a bit. And to be be clear, I'm not suggesting the SB geo is flawed, just that I choose to run a very short stem which requires a slack HTA to keep things calm at high speed. As it is, the bike is an absolute ripper for most of the low to moderate speed AM trails around here.

I still can't get over how stiff and responsive this platform is. We've been riding a lot of mud and wet roots lately and getting this bike on line and holding it is such a treat. I can totally see now how guys like Noah (Sears) are racing this bike on rowdy courses with excellent results.

 

Considering an upgrade to the stock Float. I have a new DB Air CS (from warrantied Inline) but I am concerned from previous comments that it may have reliability issues when used on a Switchblade. The X2 is tempting but really want effective lockout/pro-pedal/descending modes. Looking into the DVO Topaz. Anybody have more detailed info/experiences with the DB Air CS or other suggestions?

 

I've had several CC air and coil shocks including CS and IL versions and have generally experienced solid reliability with only 1 complete failure over a nearly a 9 year run. The tuneability is excellent and it's the only shock that you can run with the CS full open, full closed, or anywhere in between. That said, the air spring curve feels a bit old school compared to the new gen Fox and the breakaway force is generally higher IME. As much as I love Cane Creek, you might actually find it to be a 1 step forward, 2 steps back scenario. I now have both a Firebird and a Switchblade, both with X2's and IMO the shortcomings of the X2's ProPedal tune is purely (at least mostly) academic. The SB with the X2 tuned well climbs as well in the open position as most bikes with ProPedal engaged. With the ProPedal on you get awesome pedal mashing support for out of the saddle charging.

I can't comment on the DVO, might be a solid option but I have zero time on the Topaz.

 

Does the DVO work better than the Stock Fox shock? I would like more performance with the shock, but don't really want to add much weight or spend $600.00. The DVO at 330 grams and $419.00 looks like a good option.

 

Had a dvo on the sb when x2 was being fixed to me it was useless, bucked me off the bike no matter what i did with settings. got the x2 back and there is simply no comparison.

 

That's how I felt with the X2 - it was useless since wide-open made it a pogo-stick and the climb switch enabled was much too firm.

The DPS Fox shock worked great and better than the X2 as well, but the DPS shock got very hot riding short downhill sections (1 mile) here in Phoenix.

I just took the Switchblade with the DVO to Sedona for 25 miles of riding trails like Hogwash, Easy Breezy, Mystic, Broken Arrow, Mescal, and Canyon of Fools. It performed amazing. I do have three bands in the positive section of the shock chamber and one band in the negative.