[tobyrider]

The first one took 6ish weeks, I'm 2 weeks and still waiting on the 2nd. Case for multiple bikes!

How long did you warranty replacement take? I have the same problem with my next SL cranks and have been waiting almost 5 weeks now

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[SDMTB'er]

How long did you warranty replacement take? I have the same problem with my next SL cranks and have been waiting almost 5 weeks now

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Mine took over a month and my LBS had to threaten to drop them to hurry it up on the second one.

 

[coolhand80]

The first one took 6ish weeks, I'm 2 weeks and still waiting on the 2nd. Case for multiple bikes!

Mine took over a month and my LBS had to threaten to drop them to hurry it up on the second one.

Freaking ridiculous!!!!

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[SDMTB'er]

Freaking ridiculous!!!!

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Honestly if I weren't so gear obsessed I would run the RF Turbine crank and be done with it.

Just ordered a new NextSL crank in the meantime - looks like they have made some small changes - the ring takes more force to get on the crank (good) and the adjustable collar is thicker now with what looks to be a better quality adjusting screw. If I get the play again between the crank arm and spindle I will be officially done. Three strikes...

 

[dan23]

There are two cups?? A 15mm and a 17mm? The Pivot product page talks about a 15mm cup....seems pointless to be adjusting the bike's A to C by 2mm.

There is only 1 cup. It's a 17mm cup and it provides 15mm difference from the zero stack.

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[DeeZee]

Saw a Large Blue SB in the wild last night. This lucky guy was taking it out on a demo. I am going to get on that list!

 

[NoahColorado]

@imoir and I headed north to #18rd this evening so that she could break in her new #pivotswitchblade I'm loving mine! Ready to head to the #transbc this weekend! - #ergonbike #irideenve #stagespower #mrpstage #giromontaro #yournextbike

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[vikb]

My long inseam loves the the short ST as long as the frame can handle the leveraged loading. Looking forward to the 200mm Fall Line.

I'm also keen to see if droppers get less reliable as they get longer. The diameter of the dropper body isn't changing, but the forces are being amplified by the longer travel.

I'll take more than 5" of travel, but only if I'm not having to service the dropper more frequently.

 

[vikb]

There are rumours of a Pivot demo happening in Calgary, AB. Is there a schedule for demos in Canada posted anywhere? I checked the Pivot site and I don't see it. Anyone from the mothership have that info and know what the scoop is for SB's as part of the demo?

I'm out in Victoria, BC and I'd like to throw a leg over a SB if the demo van was coming to the island.

 

[godfather]

Not just sag but how the bike moves dynamically during climbing going over rocks, etc. the 429 T will maintain its original ST angle more so than the SB given the kinematics and how the rear triangle is adapting to the terrain. It would be cool to somehow see a side by side of the ST angle as a function of rear travel.

Consider your statement for a moment. If you're getting significant suspension movement while climbing, there are only a couple of scenarios that would likely be occurring. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, the suspension is set up properly, so that motion isn't coming from excessive/unwanted travel due to a soft spring rate. The most likely situation to cause significant travel in the rear would be large, fairly squared off hits or ledges that the rear wheel rolls strait into. Let's say they are hits that you can pedal smoothly through with disrupting cadence. The reality of what's happening is that the rear wheel is moving up, not the bottom bracket moving down. There would be little effect on ST angle or body position over the crank spindle. Where the ST angle effectively slackens is when the force is applied downward, or when your mass presses down through the bike with increased force (landing a drop/jump, g-outs, or any situation where the rider or bike is unweighted and then drops back down into the bike or onto the ground.

Again, ST angle is just part of the issue I have with the 429T and many other Pivots. The bigger issue is the short reach numbers on most of their bikes. My guess is that one is more or less related directly to the other in the design process. i.e. It's tough to shorten the rear end much more on something like the 429T with the link placement, rear end spacing, etc., so to increase reach it would require lengthening the entire front triangle, which would also make the TT the same amount longer as what you would gain in reach (hopefully a good inch for a reasonable reach number). That's a pretty long TT at that point, and also an increase in wheel base of the same amount. The other option would be to steepen the ST angle while also lengthening the TT enough to keep the same cockpit length while seated. This would also lengthen the WB, and place weight further forward of the rear hub while seated. This has both advantages and disadvantages (stability in straight line +, front end staying planted on climbs +, harder to get the front wheel up from a seated position -, longer bike in tight/technical sections -, just to name a few. For the SB, they completely rethought the back end, so we're able to steepen ST angle, maintain a similar position of the Center of Mass of the rider in relation to the rear wheel, keep similar TT measurements, and increase the front center of the bike, all while only making minimal increases to WB, which also comes from the increase in travel of the fork, compared to the 429T.

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[Blatant]

If anyone has a stock 29er wheelset to sell, PM me.

 

[invol2ver]

slack seat angle. you should try what i did. put the flush cup in and run the fork at 160. slightly steeper sa and climbing position, slightly lower bb, more travel in the front. it's dialed

 

[SDMTB'er]

Consider your statement for a moment. If you're getting significant suspension movement while climbing, there are only a couple of scenarios that would likely be occurring. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, the suspension is set up properly, so that motion isn't coming from excessive/unwanted travel due to a soft spring rate. The most likely situation to cause significant travel in the rear would be large, fairly squared off hits or ledges that the rear wheel rolls strait into. Let's say they are hits that you can pedal smoothly through with disrupting cadence. The reality of what's happening is that the rear wheel is moving up, not the bottom bracket moving down. There would be little effect on ST angle or body position over the crank spindle. Where the ST angle effectively slackens is when the force is applied downward, or when your mass presses down through the bike with increased force (landing a drop/jump, g-outs, or any situation where the rider or bike is unweighted and then drops back down into the bike or onto the ground.

Again, ST angle is just part of the issue I have with the 429T and many other Pivots. The bigger issue is the short reach numbers on most of their bikes. My guess is that one is more or less related directly to the other in the design process. i.e. It's tough to shorten the rear end much more on something like the 429T with the link placement, rear end spacing, etc., so to increase reach it would require lengthening the entire front triangle, which would also make the TT the same amount longer as what you would gain in reach (hopefully a good inch for a reasonable reach number). That's a pretty long TT at that point, and also an increase in wheel base of the same amount. The other option would be to steepen the ST angle while also lengthening the TT enough to keep the same cockpit length while seated. This would also lengthen the WB, and place weight further forward of the rear hub while seated. This has both advantages and disadvantages (stability in straight line +, front end staying planted on climbs +, harder to get the front wheel up from a seated position -, longer bike in tight/technical sections -, just to name a few. For the SB, they completely rethought the back end, so we're able to steepen ST angle, maintain a similar position of the Center of Mass of the rider in relation to the rear wheel, keep similar TT measurements, and increase the front center of the bike, all while only making minimal increases to WB, which also comes from the increase in travel of the fork, compared to the 429T.

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The bike will move in its travel for a variety of reasons and during power moves on a climb, the bike WILL compress its travel slackening the STA. I should also ad there are times even climbing that you are dropping down between rocks etc and the bike will compress its travel then also. The 429T will just do it less.

In any case the differences in STA we are discussing can be remedied by adjusting the fore / aft position of the seat.

Reach is important, but one aspect of fit. The entire thing has to feel good not just in standing position which for me is the minority of time I am using a MTB. I climb 75 percent of the time. Still the reach of the 429T feels like I have plenty of bike in front of me.

 

[manitou2200]

@imoir and I headed north to #18rd this evening so that she could break in her new #pivotswitchblade I'm loving mine! Ready to head to the #transbc this weekend! - #ergonbike #irideenve #stagespower #mrpstage #giromontaro #yournextbike

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Nice Noah! Thanks for posting that. I want one. What did you build come out weight wise?

 

[godfather]

The bike will move in its travel for a variety of reasons and during power moves on a climb, the bike WILL compress its travel slackening the STA. I should also ad there are times even climbing that you are dropping down between rocks etc and the bike will compress its travel then also. The 429T will just do it less.

In any case the differences in STA we are discussing can be remedied by adjusting the fore / aft position of the seat.

Reach is important, but one aspect of fit. The entire thing has to feel good not just in standing position which for me is the minority of time I am using a MTB. I climb 75 percent of the time. Still the reach of the 429T feels like I have plenty of bike in front of me.

No doubt the 429T can be lived with. One can adjust to anything reasonable. My question to you would be, have you spent a decent amount of time on other bikes with longer reach figures? It wasn't at all abnormal to see reach numbers in the realm of where the 429T is, but modern bikes have, for the most part, progressed. Much like bikes having slacker head angles, dropper posts, better suspension performance, more efficient pedaling, etc, etc... Geometry has moved forward. Trail bikes should balance climbing and descending performance. Descending on a modern trail bike generally means saddle dropped, ankles, knees, hips and spine flexed with elbows out in that "ready" or "attack" position with room to move fore/aft within the bike. The short reaches of Pivots allows for a pretty limited range of motion before the rider is beyond a usefully effective position. I own a 429T, and sing its praises on a regular basis, but it does have some short comings. The SB has moved into the world of progressively modern geometry, and hopefully it's just the beginning for the line.

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[kenbentit]

We have the East Coast demo fleet in Canada but it's incredibly difficult arranging the events with the border crossing (this is the first time I can remember us taking the fleet over the border). I'd recommend contacting the Canadian distributor for any demos he has lined up (On The Edge).

There are rumours of a Pivot demo happening in Calgary, AB. Is there a schedule for demos in Canada posted anywhere? I checked the Pivot site and I don't see it. Anyone from the mothership have that info and know what the scoop is for SB's as part of the demo?

I'm out in Victoria, BC and I'd like to throw a leg over a SB if the demo van was coming to the island.

 

[kenbentit]

Here's the link for the latest demo schedule which includes Canada!
Pivot Demo Schedule - US and Canada - Pivot Cycles | Pivot Cycles | Performance Redefined

There are rumours of a Pivot demo happening in Calgary, AB. Is there a schedule for demos in Canada posted anywhere? I checked the Pivot site and I don't see it. Anyone from the mothership have that info and know what the scoop is for SB's as part of the demo?

I'm out in Victoria, BC and I'd like to throw a leg over a SB if the demo van was coming to the island.

 

[vikb]

Here's the link for the latest demo schedule which includes Canada!
Pivot Demo Schedule - US and Canada - Pivot Cycles | Pivot Cycles | Performance Redefined

I'll email OTE.

My old LBS back in Calgary posted this to IG:

bowcyclesports@vikapproved the Pivot demo will be at Bow July 16th. Maybe check with your local dealer when the demo van is swinging your way?

That ^^^ event is not listed on the Pivot demo schedule.

That said if you are in Calgary you can check out the SB on 16 July. :thumbsup:

 

[Rom3n]

Finally got mine built up last night. Going to take her out today for a quick shakedown. Setup the fork at 160 without the 17mm cup.

Few things I changed:

X01 drivetrain
Guide Ultimate brakes / Rotors
Race Face Turbine Dropper / KS LEV southpaw
Tioga Spyder seat
Easton Haven 35 bars / Stem

 

[techfersure]

Building a 27.5 + wheelst,52mm carbon rims,Sram XO 157mm rear with XO front. Might not put 17mm cup in using Duro Crux 3.25 tires they are tall.