[vikb]

Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

- BB Height
- STA
- HTA

In particular would be interesting. Thanks.

 

[techfersure]

Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

- BB Height
- STA
- HTA

In particular would be interesting. Thanks.

Both geometries are posted on Pivot web site,and it's a 17mm lower cup.

 

[Isildur]

Both geometries are posted on Pivot web site,and it's a 17mm lower cup.

I think he's asking what the 29'er would come up to if the 15mm cup (and it is 15mm based on the Pivot Website: SWITCHBLADE 27.5 w/15mm cup) were left installed when changing fork/wheels. i.e. saving the hassle of removing and reinstalling headset cups each time.

 

[techfersure]

I think he's asking what the 29'er would come up to if the 15mm cup (and it is 15mm based on the Pivot Website: SWITCHBLADE 27.5 w/15mm cup) were left installed when changing fork/wheels. i.e. saving the hassle of removing and reinstalling headset cups each time.

Stand corrected.

 

[invol2ver]

i'll be going 27.5 plus no cup and 160 lyrik

 

[manitou2200]

It's not hard to figure the delta of this 17mm HS cup vs the stock 29er HS cup. If you add 10mm of stack at the HT it would slack the bike out another .5 degrees and approx. .25 at the ST. Take the stock 29er cup and subtract it from the 17mm cup. Take the difference of the two and divide that by 20 which will give you decimal equivalent of the HA change.
Or google search for an online bike geometry calculator and plug in the numbers.

 

[shrink]

i'll be going 27.5 plus no cup and 160 lyrik

My thoughts almost. Just add the cup and 29er

 

[vikb]

I think he's asking what the 29'er would come up to if the 15mm cup (and it is 15mm based on the Pivot Website: SWITCHBLADE 27.5 w/15mm cup) were left installed when changing fork/wheels. i.e. saving the hassle of removing and reinstalling headset cups each time.

Also getting you:

- higher BB
- slacker STA & HTA

Assuming you want any of those things. I'd be interested in that setup.

 

[vikb]

It's not hard to figure the delta of this 17mm HS cup vs the stock 29er HS cup. If you add 10mm of stack at the HT it would slack the bike out another .5 degrees and approx. .25 at the ST. Take the stock 29er cup and subtract it from the 17mm cup. Take the difference of the two and divide that by 20 which will give you decimal equivalent of the HA change.
Or google search for an online bike geometry calculator and plug in the numbers.

Or just have the guy/gal at Pivot sitting next to the computer with the CAD file who already has this setup info programmed type it out for us.

I can take an educated guess, but since this is an approved setup from Pivot let's just have the numbers calculated the same way as the rest of geo charts for a solid comparison.

It's not a huge ask if you want to sell me a $6K - $10K bike.

 

[manitou2200]

Or just have the guy/gal at Pivot sitting next to the computer with the CAD file who already has this setup info programmed type it out for us.

I can take an educated guess, but since this is an approved setup from Pivot let's just have the numbers calculated the same way as the rest of geo charts for a solid comparison.

It's not a huge ask if you want to sell me a $6K - $10K bike.

Agreed[emoji6] I was just giving you a hard time and it's really not hard to figure out especially for all of the geeky bike nerds. What'd did you call me? LOL[emoji51]
I'll bet they won't have any issues selling these bikes in the first couple runs plus they're doing a very controlled release, full builds only and probably they're best dealers only. Pretty smart way to go in my mind.
Better get your wallet out and get in line.

 

[vikb]

The earliest I am buying a new bike is Jan 2017 so I am in no rush. I want to see some paying customer reviews and hopefully get a demo before I make my mind up.

Unless the complete bike spec & prices are uber compelling I'll end up buying a frame and building from part anyways.

 

[manitou2200]

The earliest I am buying a new bike is Jan 2017 so I am in no rush. I want to see some paying customer reviews and hopefully get a demo before I make my mind up.

Unless the complete bike spec & prices are uber compelling I'll end up buying a frame and building from part anyways.

That's my take as well and I'm in no rush to buy one. It does look very good so far. Depending on how it pedals and climbs it's weight is very similar to my Following which I'm in no hurry to get rid of (still diggin the hell out of it).
I really can't buy full build bikes, I'm in the biz and get good deals on most everything I need, so I only build my own bikes.

 

[francois]

Some moar pics!!!

157 hub and 142 hub side by side

Pivot uses the OneUp 45t cog added to the 11-42. It's a gradual step but the consistency ratio gets awkward.

Reynolds 40mm carbon rim here for the Plus. The 29er gets a 28mm rim methinks.

Rekon fornt and rear tire is an awesome choice.

Soft durometer frame protection is a great feature. Hole in the bottom is for a Di2 battery.

tight clearances for the elaborate suspension clevis.

Tire clearance is enough for a real 3.25 Plus tire.

Chainring clearance is tight but they say it can handle a 36.

tire clearance again.

To provide better heel clearance than the Mach 4, the stays are curved drastically. 180mm rear rotor is max.

cassette and wheel.

 

[dan23]

Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

- BB Height
- STA
- HTA

In particular would be interesting. Thanks.

I just confirmed with Chris. The geo with 29r wheels and the 17mm cup is exactly the same as with the 27.5+ wheels. The only difference is the BB will be .3 inches higher.

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[olibluegoat]

That's my take as well and I'm in no rush to buy one. It does look very good so far. Depending on how it pedals and climbs it's weight is very similar to my Following which I'm in no hurry to get rid of (still diggin the hell out of it).
I really can't buy full build bikes, I'm in the biz and get good deals on most everything I need, so I only build my own bikes.

Same here. Waiting to see how the dust settles. Loving my Following still (simpley and awesome bike) but quite keen to ride both the Pivot but also the Mojo 3. Thinking the Mojo 3 may be the better bet as i think the Pivot may be too much bike for most of my riding

 

[LyNx]

You do realise it will be the same except for BB height as the B+ setup right? All you are doing is replacing the wheels, no other adjustments, so why would anything but the BB be different?:skep: BB will prob be 10-12mm taller than "standard" 29er setup.

Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

- BB Height
- STA
- HTA

In particular would be interesting. Thanks.

How could it be any different except for BB height? ut:

I just confirmed with Chris. The geo with 29r wheels and the 17mm cup is exactly the same as with the 27.5+ wheels. The only difference is the BB will be .3 inches higher.

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[shrink]

Thanks for the fotos. Hopefully the downtube protector is more durable than on the 429T. It started to peel after a couple of months of riding. The only way to enjoy this bike for me will be to buy the lowest tier build and replace everything or wait for the frame. I prefer sram for my 1x11 setup and love my guide ultimates. Also I prefer a 32 or 34 chainring. Not a fan of their bar and grips from a feel perspective. 29er rims a a bit too narrow and 27.5 rims a bit too wide for my liking to run 2.5 or 2.8, respectively. Also Lyrik over 36 for me. I am such a bike snob, but wish more companies would offer build kits like ibis with choices.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Hmmm. I could make do with the 27.5+ Di2 build. The only thing I would swap out would be the dropper. I would have to get another hub to build a 29er rear wheel. I'm currently on a Fuel EX and 429T. My concerns are:

1. Too much bike. Although Michaux and the Shed are rocky the more sustained downs out west are not here. Also I don't have the skills to push the limits of this bike. As you know a slack FS 29er going downhill can be exhilarating and also catastrophic. I have two similar bikes because usually one has some sort of maintenance issue. Even if the SB is a little more bike than what I need, will it be FUN JRA on longer rocky rides? A 10K backup bike collecting dust would be stupid on my part.

2. My Following was too slack for me on the tighter trails. It was also too light in the front on climbs. I have a very long inseam. Will the SB be more of the same?

3. It would be nice to get a little more mid range plush in the front. Not a fault of my 130mm 36 but it has to be able to absorb the bigger hits so it can feel a little chattery on choppy sections because of the higher speeds I'm able to attain on the newer slacker bikes. I wonder if there would be less wear and tear on my body. Or, would the extra suspension be negated by the equivalent amounts of transferred shock because I'm pushing harder?


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[vikb]

I just confirmed with Chris. The geo with 29r wheels and the 17mm cup is exactly the same as with the 27.5+ wheels. The only difference is the BB will be .3 inches higher.

Thanks. Yup seems obvious now. :thumbsup:

The 27+ geo with a 13.68" BB and 29er wheels makes the SB much more attractive to me.

I've got limited interest in a plus setup....especially since I can't use the 27.5 wheels from my Mach 6. I'm not building up a 3rd set of $$$ wheels for the limited benefits of plus tires. :nono:

 

[vikb]

1. Too much bike. Although Michaux and the Shed are rocky the more sustained downs out west are not here. Also I don't have the skills to push the limits of this bike. As you know a slack FS 29er going downhill can be exhilarating and also catastrophic. I have two similar bikes because usually one has some sort of maintenance issue. Even if the SB is a little more bike than what I need, will it be FUN JRA on longer rocky rides? A 10K backup bike collecting dust would be stupid on my part.

With that geo and a 150mm fork the SB is far more enduro/AM than it is trail. With the low BB it's not really practical to under fork it for a less aggressive ride.

That said the main issue is how it will handle mellow trails not that you will die tackling 50' gap jumps. I ride 160mm AM bikes and I only go as fast as I can ride in control without crashing [regularly]. Nothing about those bikes forces me to ride faster than I want or tackle features beyond my capabilities to ride despite the fact other more skilled riders could take the same bike and crush my descent times.

If your Evil Following was too slack for your trails I can't see any reason to buy a SB. It will be more of the same.

To your question about suspension you can tune most modern high end forks/shocks to feel quite different depending on the rider's wants. Just make sure you are buying the top tier versions with full adjustability. If you really need to a custom tune from Avalanche will get you pretty much anything realistic you want if you explain what you are after to Craig.