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Pike Select+ bad small bump sensitivity?

19K views 57 replies 21 participants last post by  HollyBoni  
#1 ·
I just got a new bike (Radon Slide Trail 8.0), it came with a Pike Select + fork. The bike is sweet, but the fork feels a bit strange. When I ride slightly rougher stuff, it's great. But when it comes to small bumps, it doesn't really want to move.
For example if i'm riding on a double track dirt road that's not that rough, but uneven with tractor tracks, a few small rocks, few small holes, I can feel the rear of the bike working, but the fork just sits there and does nothing, and I can feel my hand getting more and more beat up.
When I move the fork up and down by just pushing on the bars, I can hear a sort of "sshh" (not air hissing) sound as it goes down, and I can feel friction. Is all of this supposed to be normal? The last time I rode a bike with suspension, it had 26" wheels and v-brakes. Obviously this fork is light years ahead of that kind of stuff, but i'm still not satisfied.
I'm around 65kg, tried to play around with air pressure and tokens, but I didn't notice a huge difference in small bump sensitivity. Even with 30% sag, the fork is not as sensitive as i would like.
I did a lower leg service in case the fork was dry from the factory, but it looked fine inside and the service didn't really make a difference.
The fork has about 8-9 hours of (not very hard) riding on it. Do forks really need to break in, or is that a myth?

Oh and the compression dial (Charger 2.1) doesn't seem to make any difference at all. Is that normal? :D
 
#52 ·
Just fit a Smashpot coil conversion, problem solved. But also a fork will never be quite as plush as the rear on small bumps as it is linear, rear ends tend to be progressive so the first bit of travel is softer than the mid etc, the damper is moving slower at the start of travel on progressive linkages. Also you tend to have less weight on it. A nice comfortable carbon bar helps quite a bit with taking the edge off and also foam grips, maybe try the ESI or Rev grips.
 
#56 ·
I'm not sure there's enough to get the fork moving. The pike on my hardtail, which is pretty smooth, would probably be pretty stiff on that surface as well (it's pretty stiff on similar looking surfaces).

BTW, yea I think (having ridden both for a while now) that the C1 sealhead keeps ya too high in the stroke to have as smooth a small bump compliance as the B seal head, but we're talking degrees.

I just double checked, my pike came with a B seal head. Trailhead shows the sealhead as an available upgrade kit.
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Air Spring Upgrade Kit - DebonAir C1 Sealhead - PIKE/REVELATION LYRIK/YARI 35mm
 
#58 · (Edited)
A bit of an update.

Put a lot of miles on the fork in the last 2 months, and I just pulled it apart again. Took out the damper, spring, seals to check the bushings. They're pretty much perfect, the uppers easily slide in the lowers if I pull them up and let go of them. The only issue I could see wa that the air spring barely had any lubrication.
Cleaned everything, greased the air spring, changed the oil, and I put green SKF seals in because why not... One ride in, I think the fork does feel better, but it's still not as sensitive as I would like. I also bled the damper, and now it feels like the compression dial does do something, but it's a very very slight adjustment. Oh and I found out that the fork does have the C1 air spring.

I also met some new riding buddies and tried a previous gen 150 Pike and a 150 Pike exactly like mine. Both of them felt very similar in terms of sensitivity, but on the previous gen Pike with the Charger 2.0, the compression dial made a much much bigger difference.
Now that I pulled apart the air spring, I felt how much friction/stiction there is in there. I'm pretty happy with the fork but I do see a coil conversion in my future...