[da'HOOV]

i didn't mean anything except make sure your notion that it was built like that for compliance is wrong. as in .. clueless.
since you asked nicely...
the stays are long, heavy and because they attach to the frame at both seat tube and top tube, it's as stiff as short stays.

I don't believe I stated any notion about compliance, I was ASKING for opinions as to whether or not the design made the frame stiffer...not sure why you responded rudely (clueless?)

I was, if you'll notice the second quote, referring to Smedleys comment. In regards to the seatstay length from the axle to the seatube, they are probably average length, not shorter or longer than average.

My opinion is that the extra length from the seattube to the top tube would probably only brace the front triangle.

Just trying to learn from the masters, thank you.

 

[colker1]

I don't believe I stated any notion about compliance, I was ASKING for opinions as to whether or not the design made the frame stiffer...not sure why you responded rudely (clueless?)

I was, if you'll notice the second quote, referring to Smedleys comment. In regards to the seatstay length from the axle to the seatube, they are probably average length, not shorter or longer than average.

My opinion is that the extra length from the seattube to the top tube would probably only brace the front triangle.

Just trying to learn from the masters, thank you.

the other guy, DC, responded rudely first and it seems you came by in his support so...

They are longer, yes, but work like short stays. GTs were criticized for the gimmickry of the triple triangle. Although GT had lost of nice touches like internal cable routing and variable rake in thier forks, their bikes were usually heavier.

 

[scmalex]

the other guy, DC, responded rudely first and it seems you came by in his support so...

They are longer, yes, but work like short stays. GTs were criticized for the gimmickry of the triple triangle. Although GT had lost of nice touches like internal cable routing and variable rake in thier forks, their bikes were usually heavier.

Humans are simply not perceptive enough to feel the advantages/disadvantages of the triple triangle design (even though it technically has both advantages and disadvantages over conventional frames). So if you can't feel the difference, then why argue over it?
im sure if gt built a hardtail exactly the same but without the triple triangle it would feel pretty much the same (but look cooler)

 

[Linoleum]

I rode my triple triangle Karakoram (double butted tange steel), rigid, just over 15.5 miles across the desert today. I can't say the triple triangle helped/hindered the performance, but I can say it rides one hundred percent better than either of my two previous Zaskars. AND its got a groove tube. So put that in your pipe and smoke it Colker1.

 

[colker1]

I rode my triple triangle Karakoram (double butted tange steel), rigid, just over 15.5 miles across the desert today. I can't say the triple triangle helped/hindered the performance, but I can say it rides one hundred percent better than either of my two previous Zaskars. AND its got a groove tube. So put that in your pipe and smoke it Colker1.

Oh.. a steel rode better than aluminum. Wow... i am always learning something new.

 

[Fred Smedley]

Dp ...........................

 

[Fred Smedley]

I was, if you'll notice the second quote, referring to Smedleys comment. In regards to the seatstay length from the axle to the seatube, they are probably average length, not shorter or longer than average.

The tape measure does not lie. 1990 20" GT Avalanche (C to C). 446mm from seat tube attachment point to axle. 1995 17.5" Specialized Stumpjumper (C to C) 483mm from seat tube attachment point to axle. Even being a smaller frame in this example the traditional diamond design has longer stays. If the seat stay did not tie into the seat tube then then the GT would have longer stays and the compliance argument could be made.

 

[laffeaux]

Does any of this really matter?

GTs ride fine, regardless of any extra weight created by the triple triangle design. Just like lugs on a modern bike, they may add weight to frames and serve no purpose, but I still think they're cool.

As far as the Tachyon goes, I wish that the fork had a little more offset (even with the fork adjusted all the way forward), and the chain stays feel a bit long when lifting the front end (part of the price that you pay to fit 2.3" tires). But overall it rides nicely.

In the larger sizes I like the look of the GT stay design - the chain stays are nearly parallel to the down tube which creates an interesting symmetry.

 

[jtmartino]

Just like lugs on a modern bike, they may add weight to frames and serve no purpose, but I still think they're cool.

This. I love modern bikes with lugs, and I think bikes with Hellenic stays look pretty darn cool.

 

[Stuartfleming]

There are some lovely bikes on this thread.

I started riding as a teenager in the late nineties and always lusted after a Zaskar but could never afford one. After 2000 I took a few years off riding and started in 2008 again. I bought a 2008 model Zaskar and was so disappointed. It was a brilliant bike but just didnt feel magical as I had always dreamed a Zaskar would.

This thread has inspired me to look for one of these older model ones. The ones I used to dream about as a kid.

 

[TallRiderVA]

I have a 1988 GT Timberline (gray/white crackle paint) that I bought new then and I have been holding onto it over the years. I hope to revive it again someday and get some kind of use out of it.

 

[Methuselah]

Wow, this thread is long in the tooth!

My bike was only 6 or 7 years old (and not owned by me) when this thread started . GT STS 1000 DS. I got it a year and a half ago, or so... Replaced the leaky shock with a Fox Float (the one in the photo was temporary, now replaced with a FF of appropriate length). Replaced the near useless Rock Shox front disc brake and the rear V-brake with BB7's. Second and third pix show some home-fabricated aluminum bits for the rear brake... A good ride, but the fork could use some work.

 

[kamidsake]

Avalanche

Avalanche still my best choice....GT

 

[azille]

kamidsake, for you

let´s all just enjoy our GTs and keep them coming

 

[rigidftw]

way nice!

 

[Benster]

 

[azille]

very pleased with my avalanche, found it in very good condition, but to be honest I can´t use such a long stem (130 mm on a 18" frame!), so stem and bar will remain useless.
Does anybody know if those stems are still available anywhere? or may I just look on ebay, etc

 

[bburke88]

1997 GT Timberline FS. Picked it up on Craigslist for 60 bucks. It was missing wheel skewers, pedals, and tubes. Rear wheel was also bent. I shortly thereafter replaced with some Araya wheels from an older specialized I had lying around. Everything else is stock.

I am looking to change out the fork with something close to 100mm of travel. I don't like the small steerer tube and small travel.

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[bburke88]

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[azille]

new tires, some changes...