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My thoughts on the WTB Judge and Verdict tires.

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#1 ·
A lot of us are die hard tire brand loyalists. Maxxis people will hardly venture out to try other brands. Whatever works, works I guess. But what if I were to tell you that venturing out will lead to a gold mine? It's not often this happens but am I glad I did.

First things first, I have the Verdict Light/High Grip 29x2.5 mounted on 30mm rims. Knob to knob, it measures close to 2.7 inches with my measuring tape. 1150 grams. The Judge 29x2.4 Tough/Fast Rolling measures just a smidge above 2.4 knob to knob with 30mm rims. 1400 grams. The Verdict is definitely oversized and very, very high volume. I was kind of afraid that the immense size would take feedback away compared to the true to size 2.5 tires I'm used to, but they don't. They are also tall. The Judge is true to size and comparatively speaking, looks puny compared to the Verdict.

Verdict

1150 grams isn't light. It's not a dual-ply so it's more comparable to single-ply 'enduro' tires and EXO+ in Maxxis speak. So you know how the Vigilante's knobs then to squish and smear when going flat out? The Verdict's don't. They maintain their form much better and don't exhibit the same traits as the Vigs. They just dig in and claw their way around. At first, I ran it with 21 psi. I found it bouncy and a little wandery. I took it down to 20 psi and boom. Perfect. Crazy how 1 psi can make such difference. It's a very aggressive tire that needs to be weighed(body position forward) to produce the best results. If you're lazy and leaning back, you're wasting rubber and not using the tire to its full potential. In flat corners(even with all the fallen leaves now), I can lean this thing over pretty deep and it wont give. I can also 'feel' it gripping. In berms, well, any tire does well in berms to be honest. It's a supported corner.

When losing grip, the sensation is similar to the DHF in that you lose grip immediately, and maybe get it back. But in the Verdict's case, grip always comes back. Braking is comparable to the Vigs. Maybe just a smidge better. As far as steering goes, it feels like a 2.5 despite its massive size. It still provides loads of feedback and the quick steering I've grown accustomed to with 2.5 and smaller tires. But I'd prefer true-to-size tires, TBH. The knobs are widely spaced so it'll shed mud and muck well. Rolling resistance, not sure. It's a front tire so it's not super noticeable compared to the rear. I notice the weight a lot more.

Judge

The Judge, I'll say is probably the best rear tire I've ever used as far as outright grip and braking goes. This thing is robust. Like it seems like it's built tougher than the other WTB Tough Casing tires. Tough Casing is like Maxxis DD. But tougher and heavier. The knobs are massive. I ran this at 24-25 psi with no changes made. No squirming and squishing with this one. And the grip they provide is phenomenal. Rolling resistance combined with the 1400 gram weight... well, you'll be riding with a gear easier than you normally would in some circumstances. Compared to the Trail Boss, the side knobs don't squirm. They're solid when cornering. Just like the Verdict, off camber and flat corners are no match. Lean the bike over, trust the tires, and watch as you take that corner faster than you normally would. Those massive side knobs just dig and shovel in to the dirt.

Climbing up tech, it'll claw its way up there as long as you're on the right gear. I've cleared some techy climbs I haven't before with the Judge. Braking is amazing. You can feel it digging in as soon as you depress the brake lever. Very confidence inspiring to say the least. When it loses grip, it does so in a very controlled manner. It'll drift ever so softly, and then ever so softly regain its grip again. Reminds me of how the Magic Mary does when it loses grip. If you can do this at will, you can tighten your line without losing speed. It's a great feeling. The knobs are tighter packed, so it won't shed muck as well as the Verdict. As far as ride quality goes, it's firm and supportive. Not at all bouncy or harsh.

Conclusion

I feel that these 2 combined offer one of the grippiest(if not the most) combinations out there. With the weight and rolling resistance, this is most definitely a gravity oriented setup. It's not for everyone. For a faster rolling setup, the Vigilante/Trail Boss or Verdict/Trail Boss is a better fit. The addition of the Judge takes it to another level. I wouldn't pair the Vig with the Judge because I feel the Judge provides more outright grip than the Vig. I prefer to run a grippier front like everyone else. I don't use inserts, nor do I ever intend to because I can just get tougher and heavier tires that provide the cut and slash protection I need. So these heavy and robust tires fill that niche.

WTB is nowhere near as big as Maxxis is. But I'm glad they're making robust, heavy duty, and competitive tires. Mountain biking's best kept secret are these. So try them out if you can handle the weight and rolling resistance.
 
#57 ·
I am shocked at how great the new Verdict Wet 29 x 2.5 Tough is. I am loyal Vittoria user, but I grabbed a sale price WTB verdict last month. Tire is really great. The wet version is too hard of a rubber in my opinion, and I am sure glad I did not try the regular version, so get Verdict Wet for sure. It measures 63mm at carcass and 67mm on side knobs mounted to Ibis 41 (external carbon rims). If I could buy these tires for $44 again, I would. They are a little heavy, but I dont notice it so much riding. The idea of 5 pounds of tires (2), is kinda hard to take. I still think the Vittoria rubber compound is softer and slightly better grip, but I wear down Vittoria tread quite a bit in 15 rides. But, Vittoria is changing alot of tires, which has me trying new stuff. Verdict Wet is great.
 
#60 ·
The verdict will absolutely hook up on dry dusty hardpack. Whether hard pack, or that kitty litter over hard pack. It is just less forgiving if you do not give it an aggressive lean angle. I have put out my foot to dab on multiple occasions and surprised not an ounce of drift. Only time it gives is those crushed rock/ gravely type corners that no tire really does well on.

I have a couple rides on mine now and crazy how well it corners. I am still playing with pressure and trying to see if trade offs are worth it over the vigilante. On a 30mm rim it has a pretty round profile and I feel it rolls faster than a vigilante, which makes sense since only the center knobs are providing drag.

I have blown a few uphill turns because with just center knobs touch it can get pushed in the direction of momentum instead of providing turning force and hard to provide appropriate lean on climbing.

So far verdict needs less pressure than vigilante. Right now testing at 20psi so inserts may be needed for sidewall support, but I am currently running cushcores.
 
#61 ·
Just grabbed a WTB Verdict (light, high grip, 29x2.5), so I'll be interested to see how it performs.

I have been running a 29x2.6in Vigilante (light, high grip), for almost a year and a half (Installed in July/Aug 2019). I know some people have been saying that they wear super fast... but inspecting mine as it comes off, I'd say it still has ~75% life left on it. No knobs corner knobs are undercut (although a few braking knobs are slightly undercut in the center), and I'm only starting to get the "speckles" of rubber missing on most of the knob edges.

I don't have total mileage on the tire. But I've done 280 miles of riding since Feb (when I started using trailforks to track it), with 41k of descending. I'd guess I have at least 350-400 miles on the tire.

Mounting the Verdict tonight, I can say that the Verdict is MUCH smaller. It measures a true 2.5in knob to knob, while my Vigilante measured approximately ~2.75in at ~15psi.

According to WTB, the Verdict is more aggressive, and I'm looking for more front end traction. I was also wanting to try something without transition knobs again, to see if it can help me with my cornering (knowing more definitively where the side knobs start, so I can get better at knowing how far to lean/etc). Also, my rims may have been a bit narrow for such a wide tire (29mm internal, and the tire was ~2.75" knob to knob), which gave it a pretty round profile. I'm hoping for a bit squarer profile this time around (again, hoping to make it easier to engage the side knobs).

I am also trying out some tannus tubeless inserts for the first time. I'm in the PNW, and we're deep into "super slippery root" time of year. The inserts may make it hard to compare initially, but I may take them out of the front in the future (I've never tried inserts, so I just put them in front and rear to test for a bit).
 
#62 ·
Finally got my first ride in on the Verdict in yesterday.

Short ride, only 7 miles/1k ft of climbing. It was also about 35-40f, a day or two after snowfall, so the trails were wet, but not suuuuper sloppy. I also hadn't really ridden in the previous weeks due to work/holiday stuff, so I wasn't on my "A" game in terms of skill, or fitness.

Initial impressions are that the Verdict does in fact have more traction than my Vigilante did. I noticed at least a few times where I seemed to be able to feel it grabbing harder in the corners. I also didn't notice any real "vaugeness" coming from the lack of transition knobs. Its worth noting that I rode the very same trails/conditions on my DHF's back when I rode them, and with them I most definitely noticed the vaugeness between cornering, and center knobs. The Verdict felt vastly more locked in than the DFH, and less vauge/more traction than my Vigilante.

Haven't sorted out tire pressure yet though. I was running 14psi front (17psi rear), but I am running inserts now, so its hard to directly compare.

For reference, my 2.6in Vigilante (measured 2.75in knob to knob), without an insert, seemed to have a sweet spot on my bike of around 15psi. Also lumped into the "anecdotal feedback" category, is a buddy who I let take a lap on a trail with my bike. We both thought his Assegai (EXO+, Maxxterra) didn't have as much traction as the Verdict in our wet (but not sticky mud) trails. He was however running much more tire pressure though, so that isn't really a direct comparison.

Overall, I'd say its a good change for me and my local area/style.