[urmb]

Narrowed done my new DW link bike to an Ibis Moho HD4 or Mojo 3. I am mainly a cross country rider but like to push the envelope a bit. LBS employee thinks I should go with the HD4 and that I won't notice the extra rear wheel travel while on long climbs. They only have frames in stock at the moment, so I cannot ride one. Chime in if you have been down this trail before or have experience with this dilemma.
Thanks in advance,
urmb

 

[jacksonlui]

I went from the mojo3 to the hd4. The m3 climbs noticeably better and a bit faster on flats and is lighter and more nimble. The hd4 is much more stable at speed and more forgiving. Hd4 climbs well for a 150mm bike but not light on its feet. For my type of riding i prefer the hd4 and like the extra forgiveness it provides when i ride blind or when i choose a bad line which happens often. Sometimes i just go through it if i can't decide.

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[WoodstockMTB]

I went from the mojo3 to the hd4. The m3 climbs noticeably better and a bit faster on flats and is lighter and more nimble. The hd4 is much more stable at speed and more forgiving. Hd4 climbs well for a 150mm bike but not light on its feet. For my type of riding i prefer the hd4 and like the extra forgiveness it provides when i ride blind or when i choose a bad line which happens often. Sometimes i just go through it if i can't decide.

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I don't have an HD4 or M3. I do have a Ripley and HD3. Jacksonlui pretty much said what I was going to say. Depends what you want the bike to be good at.

Do you want stability, plowability and control on steeps? Or do you want the bike to be playful and be able to work in a pinch? The HD3 is basically a long legged M3 and its such a great bike. I wold not want any less travel as my play bike (ie steeps, rocks, bombing terrain). I'm really happy I went with it over the M3 since I already have a Ripley.

The Ripley is a great long legged XC bike, but I now have the seed in my brain of getting an M3 and turning it into my long legged XC bike. My HD3 loses nothing on climbs to the Ripley and the fit is so much better. So I imagine the M3 built light would just rock.

That may not really help you, but I think it could.....do you want big bike manners or BMX like sports car manner?

 

[mannyfnz]

Two totally different bikes. I have a mojo 3..fun, nimble little ride. The hd4 is definitely more of a plow bike. How about another dw link bike ..the Pivot mach 5.5. I had a blast demoing one.. falls nicely in between your 2 options.

 

[BikeCo.com]

Narrowed done my new DW link bike to an Ibis Moho HD4 or Mojo 3. I am mainly a cross country rider but like to push the envelope a bit. LBS employee thinks I should go with the HD4 and that I won't notice the extra rear wheel travel while on long climbs. They only have frames in stock at the moment, so I cannot ride one. Chime in if you have been down this trail before or have experience with this dilemma.
Thanks in advance,
urmb

Where are you located?

Being a cross country rider you'd probably enjoy the Mojo3. Both are going to be much quicker on climbs and flats but can still handle some technical terrain and drops. When we work with clients on custom Mojo's, it's not uncommon for us to beef that bike up to handle more aggressive downs without sacrificing on the climbs

 

[BmanInTheD]

You can push the envelope a bit with either the Ripley LS or the Mojo 3. I have both. I also have an HD4. You need to be pushing the envelope pretty much most if not all the time for the HD4 to suit you better IMO.

 

[urmb]

I like where this is going! I will need to buy two...an M3 and maybe a ripley :thumbsup:

Great input all, thank you. I live in Utah and ride high mountain to Gooseberry and Moab and lots in between. I like technical trails, remote trails, do a few long distance rides (longest being 8 hours of moving time and ~8k of climbing), and some minor XC racing. I am not a drop monkey but take occasional 1-2 footers. I will be replacing a Turner Burner which was an excellent bike and had 140 mm of rear travel.
Currently leaning towards the M3.

Thanks,
urmb

 

[jacksonlui]

Sounds like the m3 will be good

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[ReXTless]

I think the geometry differences will be far more noticeable to you than the extra travel. The HD4 is very slack for an every day bike, if you aren't riding the steeps every day. I much prefer the Mojo 3 geo for a true trail bike.

 

[saidrick]

So I have ridden both, I actually rode the M3 at Gooseberry in Utah. The M3 is an excellent trail bike, the HD4 is more of a true Enduro race bike: made for steeps and jumps.

The M3 is much more playful and agile, and the HD4 is long and really needs some speed and lean to wake it up. It’s a great bike in its own right. From the sounds of it the M3 might really work for you. I recommend that you demo them both, maybe even try out the Ibis Migration in August.

 

[d365]

not to derail the thread, but relevant...

What are the chances of Ibis releasing an updated Mojo 3 this year? Do they typically do a 3 year refresh cycle like a lot of companies?

Anyway, it sounds like the Mojo 3 would be the next logical step up from an XC bike for the OP, but maybe you want to go full enduro...

 

[jacksonlui]

I went from xc to trail to enduro within 3 yrs and finding "more" things available to me while providing me with a higher margin of error. Yeah it isnt as fast on the uphill or flats and maybe it needs a little speed to wake it up but since im not racing its ok. Im having more fun doing more things pushing the limits. Thats my justification anyways. I think i can probably go with something in between mojo3 and hd4 though. I think u will have fun on both. If you race its better to use the bike built for the purpose. You can do epic rides with the hd4. Ive done it on 2.8 rocket rons.

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[Davide]

A HD3 instead? Set it up with a 150 fork and 2.35 tires and you have the perfect ragged trail bike. It climbs like a goat without any limitation downhill. I love mine. In side by side test climbed better than a M3 with 2.8 tires (for sure helped by its svelte 24-25 pounds weight).

It looks like you can still find medium and large heavily discounted Cambria Bike | Ibis | Mojo HD3 XT/CCDB Kit Hard to beat $4242 for an XT level bike with a Pike fork ...

 

[gondezee]

@d365 I've heard new HT and new ripley before m3 refresh. Sources are... questionable, though.

 

[gorgebiker]

I had an HD3 and replaced it with a mojo3. Glad I did. I M on 2.8 tires on the mojo compared to 2.5 before. I ride in Sedona on very technical trails but do not push it. I find the mojo much more stable on tight turns and more sure footed on exposure which is very important to me as a caustious older rider. I find it does just fine on 2goot drops. It is way more fun than the HD3 and climbs way better even with the bigger tires. If you are primarily on cross country you will enjoy the mojo much more.

 

[urmb]

Good karma here! Thx, all for your comments. Mojo 3 frame ordered! Planning my build.

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