[Dirt Donkey]

Haggis and Jazz, your experience is that I won't lose any technical climbing or descending prowess on the larger frame?

The large HD3 geo is a good amount larger in scale than the medium version 1 Bronson I'm coming off. I just feel like it may be too much on tight switchbacks and techie portions of the trail where just plowing straight down isn't the best (or most fun) option.

 

[Haggis]

Haggis and Jazz, your experience is that I won't lose any technical climbing or descending prowess on the larger frame?

The large HD3 geo is a good amount larger in scale than the medium version 1 Bronson I'm coming off. I just feel like it may be too much on tight switchbacks and techie portions of the trail where just plowing straight down isn't the best (or most fun) option.

Here's a pic of a 5'7" rider on a medium: http://forums.mtbr.com/ibis/mojo-hd3-picture-build-thread-939582-17.html#post11709183
The large is not as large as the numbers might indicate... The wheelbase is quite short and the seat angle is slack so ETT isn't a good indicator of feel. Its feels short for a large.

 

[nyrangerfan222]

I'm 5'7" riding a medium, any taller and i would go large.

 

[Terminator Z]

Here's a pic of a 5'7" rider on a medium: http://forums.mtbr.com/ibis/mojo-hd3-picture-build-thread-939582-17.html#post11709183

Idk, nothing against that rider, but I think that set up is a little rare for this bike. Most guys hovering around 5'7,8,9" on mediums aren't needing to slam their seats back and using long stems.
No doubt, ibis bikes aren't long compared to other similar bikes but you have to ride what's best for you. Some people prefer a longer cockpit, while others prefer a sportier ride.

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[Haggis]

Yep, everyone is different - I'm 5'10½ and only just fit on a large with a 50mm stem. I'd prefer to run a 35/40 but it's not conducive. Ape index is greater than one.

 

[Dirt Donkey]

Interesting how the Santa Cruz forums are full of these same discussions with people sizing up, yet both manufacturers still stick to the same sizing suggestions?

 

[skellz]

Haha yeah.
I had a medium mojo sl. Way to small "tight"
Medium nomad3 felt to long in a odd kinda way.
Now on a large hd3. It's large and I'm in the middle of the size chart. 5'10ish with my 5tens on
stealth post slammed down and in normal on the rails. im pretty flipping chuffed with it with a 35mm stem.

 

[Rom3n]

Interesting how the Santa Cruz forums are full of these same discussions with people sizing up, yet both manufacturers still stick to the same sizing suggestions?

I'm only around 5'8 and I went up to a L as my Med HD3 felt a bit cramped. I just got an Evil insurgent in M and the cockpit feel like a L HD3.

 

[jazzanova]

Haha yeah.
I had a medium mojo sl. Way to small "tight"
Medium nomad3 felt to long in a odd kinda way.
Now on a large hd3. It's large and I'm in the middle of the size chart. 5'10ish with my 5tens on
stealth post slammed a. nd pretty flipping chuffed with it with a 35mm stem.

Strange the medium N3 felt too long and L HD3 feels good to you.
The TT is about 35mm longer and the reach almost 20mm longer on the L HD3.
I am 5'8.5" and both medium N3 and HD3 were just too short. Large N3 with a 35mm stem is perfect.

 

[jazzanova]

I'm only around 5'8 and I went up to a L as my Med HD3 felt a bit cramped. I just got an Evil insurgent in M and the cockpit feel like a L HD3.

How does the Insurgent compare to the HD3?

 

[skellz]

Strange the medium N3 felt too long and L HD3 feels good to you.
The TT is about 35mm longer and the reach almost 20mm longer on the L HD3.
I am 5'8.5" and both medium N3 and HD3 were just too short. Large N3 with a 35mm stem is perfect.

Yep.. can't explain it.
I'm on a shorter stem with the hd3.
But I had my seat slammed right back on my nomad, thought bb was to far back .
Just seems more natural on the hd3

 

[Rom3n]

How does the Insurgent compare to the HD3?

Just finished building it up. Will get some ride time in this weekend to find out

 

[peanuthead]

Medium HD3 XT 1X build. Stoked for first ride tomorrow!

 

[s1ngletrackmind]

My new HD3, in the colorway of murder and blood.







Frame: Large with Cane Creek DB Inline
Fork: Pike RCT3 - 160mm
Wheels: 741s with DT340 front and rear
Tires: Maxxis Minion DHF/Ardent
Brakes: XTR Trail
Cranks: Race Face Next SL with 32 T
Rear Derailleur: XX1
Shift Lever: XX1
Cassette: SRAM XG-1199
Headset: Chris King I2 Black
Grips: ODI AG-1
Handlebars: RaceFace Next 35 - 760mm wide
Stem: RaceFace Atlas 35
Seatpost: KS Lev Integra 150mm
Saddle: Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio

27.7lbs / 12.56kg

Thanks to cmarshack for the murdered-out Lamin-X tape tip.

 

[SCParker]

150mm or 160mm???????

Ok so I now have three rides in on my new HD3, I came from a Bronson 150mm with Enves and XX1, it was sporting a ccdb air in the rear and a 150 pike up front. I am now on a new HD3 with the XO1 build , 160mm pike and a fox float evol dps. I weigh 210lbs and I am running 75lbs up front and 195lbs in the shock. 32 psi rear tire and 30 front[
........
So i can't seam to get comfortable, I feel like the front end is really raked out and pushing through corners, any hints, suggestions, etc.... would be great.
plus this bike is supposed to be an awesome climber where i feel like the Bronson climbed better (at least how i am set up).
Are you guys running 150 or 160 forks ?????????
Help me out here boys , PLEASE

 

[jon123]

SCParker: When you do get everything sorted a quick Bronson vs HD3 comparison would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[smithrider]

150mm or 160mm???????

Ok so I now have three rides in on my new HD3, I came from a Bronson 150mm with Enves and XX1, it was sporting a ccdb air in the rear and a 150 pike up front. I am now on a new HD3 with the XO1 build , 160mm pike and a fox float evol dps. I weigh 210lbs and I am running 75lbs up front and 195lbs in the shock. 32 psi rear tire and 30 front[
........
So i can't seam to get comfortable, I feel like the front end is really raked out and pushing through corners, any hints, suggestions, etc.... would be great.
plus this bike is supposed to be an awesome climber where i feel like the Bronson climbed better (at least how i am set up).
Are you guys running 150 or 160 forks ?????????
Help me out here boys , PLEASE

Just a guess but your Bronson had notably longer chainstays which allow for lazier cornering by naturally shifting weight to the front wheel. On a shorter chainstays bike, you have to more actively weight the front to corner hard. You could drop the pike to 150 if you don't like this feeling to help as well.

Edit: could be too much sag in rear as well?

 

[SCParker]

I think it has to do with the shock in general, not as good as the cane creek dbair, and the combo of the 160. I really wanna know what everyone runs and why.
150 or 160 ?????????????

 

[Haggis]

160, cos why wouldn't you?

 

[SCParker]

Haggis, the bike was originally built for a 150 fork. Yes it is specd out now with a 160 only due to people asking for it. The bike will perform differently with 150 vs 160 including but not limited too HTA changing. I was just wondering for those who have ridden both what they preferred and why? I def think a 150 would be better for climbing and it seams the bike would corner better.