Haggis and Jazz, your experience is that I won't lose any technical climbing or descending prowess on the larger frame?

The large HD3 geo is a good amount larger in scale than the medium version 1 Bronson I'm coming off. I just feel like it may be too much on tight switchbacks and techie portions of the trail where just plowing straight down isn't the best (or most fun) option.

 

Haggis and Jazz, your experience is that I won't lose any technical climbing or descending prowess on the larger frame?

The large HD3 geo is a good amount larger in scale than the medium version 1 Bronson I'm coming off. I just feel like it may be too much on tight switchbacks and techie portions of the trail where just plowing straight down isn't the best (or most fun) option.

Here's a pic of a 5'7" rider on a medium: http://forums.mtbr.com/ibis/mojo-hd3-picture-build-thread-939582-17.html#post11709183
The large is not as large as the numbers might indicate... The wheelbase is quite short and the seat angle is slack so ETT isn't a good indicator of feel. Its feels short for a large.

 

I'm 5'7" riding a medium, any taller and i would go large.

 

Yep, everyone is different - I'm 5'10½ and only just fit on a large with a 50mm stem. I'd prefer to run a 35/40 but it's not conducive. Ape index is greater than one.

 

Interesting how the Santa Cruz forums are full of these same discussions with people sizing up, yet both manufacturers still stick to the same sizing suggestions?

 

I'm only around 5'8 and I went up to a L as my Med HD3 felt a bit cramped. I just got an Evil insurgent in M and the cockpit feel like a L HD3.

 

Haha yeah.
I had a medium mojo sl. Way to small "tight"
Medium nomad3 felt to long in a odd kinda way.
Now on a large hd3. It's large and I'm in the middle of the size chart. 5'10ish with my 5tens on
stealth post slammed down and in normal on the rails. im pretty flipping chuffed with it with a 35mm stem.

 

Haha yeah.
I had a medium mojo sl. Way to small "tight"
Medium nomad3 felt to long in a odd kinda way.
Now on a large hd3. It's large and I'm in the middle of the size chart. 5'10ish with my 5tens on
stealth post slammed a. nd pretty flipping chuffed with it with a 35mm stem.

Strange the medium N3 felt too long and L HD3 feels good to you.
The TT is about 35mm longer and the reach almost 20mm longer on the L HD3.
I am 5'8.5" and both medium N3 and HD3 were just too short. Large N3 with a 35mm stem is perfect.

 

Medium HD3 XT 1X build. Stoked for first ride tomorrow!

 

My new HD3, in the colorway of murder and blood.







Frame: Large with Cane Creek DB Inline
Fork: Pike RCT3 - 160mm
Wheels: 741s with DT340 front and rear
Tires: Maxxis Minion DHF/Ardent
Brakes: XTR Trail
Cranks: Race Face Next SL with 32 T
Rear Derailleur: XX1
Shift Lever: XX1
Cassette: SRAM XG-1199
Headset: Chris King I2 Black
Grips: ODI AG-1
Handlebars: RaceFace Next 35 - 760mm wide
Stem: RaceFace Atlas 35
Seatpost: KS Lev Integra 150mm
Saddle: Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio

27.7lbs / 12.56kg

Thanks to cmarshack for the murdered-out Lamin-X tape tip.

 

150mm or 160mm???????

Ok so I now have three rides in on my new HD3, I came from a Bronson 150mm with Enves and XX1, it was sporting a ccdb air in the rear and a 150 pike up front. I am now on a new HD3 with the XO1 build , 160mm pike and a fox float evol dps. I weigh 210lbs and I am running 75lbs up front and 195lbs in the shock. 32 psi rear tire and 30 front[
........
So i can't seam to get comfortable, I feel like the front end is really raked out and pushing through corners, any hints, suggestions, etc.... would be great.
plus this bike is supposed to be an awesome climber where i feel like the Bronson climbed better (at least how i am set up).
Are you guys running 150 or 160 forks ?????????
Help me out here boys , PLEASE

 

Just a guess but your Bronson had notably longer chainstays which allow for lazier cornering by naturally shifting weight to the front wheel. On a shorter chainstays bike, you have to more actively weight the front to corner hard. You could drop the pike to 150 if you don't like this feeling to help as well.

Edit: could be too much sag in rear as well?

 

SCParker: When you do get everything sorted a quick Bronson vs HD3 comparison would be appreciated. Thanks

 

I think it has to do with the shock in general, not as good as the cane creek dbair, and the combo of the 160. I really wanna know what everyone runs and why.
150 or 160 ?????????????

 

160, cos why wouldn't you?

 

Haggis, the bike was originally built for a 150 fork. Yes it is specd out now with a 160 only due to people asking for it. The bike will perform differently with 150 vs 160 including but not limited too HTA changing. I was just wondering for those who have ridden both what they preferred and why? I def think a 150 would be better for climbing and it seams the bike would corner better.

 

Haggis, the bike was originally built for a 150 fork.

Where exactly are you getting this from? It is my understanding the bike was "designed" to have options...160/150 being one of those options.

I run 160 and would have it no other way...the bike is perfect.

 

It doesn't really matter, but from Ibis directly. It was built as a 150 bike with the option to install a 160 if desired. Like I said, doesn't matter, anyone out there ride both?

 

You could try running 10mm more sag in your fork. Should give you an idea on handling.

I have a 160mm X-Fusion sweep on mine. I do feel like the bike responds better in corners when I get my weight a little farther forward, but I have no desire to drop the fork travel.

 

Cmarshack.....what air pressures do you run in fork , shock, and tires and what is your weight? I'm trying to figure this thing out

 

You know that everyone is different and we all ride different terrain and attack with different skill levels.

That said, I have my Pike at 160 with 60 psi and two tokens with 3 clicks of rebound and 5 clicks of LSC. Feels good and use 100% travel on most hard rides.

Shock - Can't remember the exact settings but still tweaking. i am at 30% sag and still bottoming with too much HSC...so i am going to install another Volume spacer and bcak off the HSC so I can get rid of the high speed chatter crap that I started feeling once I bumped up the HSC. Don't get me wrong, this still rides better than my BikeCo custom tuned shock for my HD, but it can still be better with a little teaking.

Not even going to get into my tire pressures because I ride 741's and you have flows so no need to compare the apples and oranges there...but I do ride very low pressures..10 psi less than my Flow sized LightBike wheels I ran in my HD.

Go play around, drop $35 bucks on a 150mm shaft for the Pike and enjoy your bike however you end up setting it up.

 

Nothing to add... except:

Fawk I love my HD3

 

I have had my PIKE at 150 and 160, (and then back at 150)

Going from 150 to 160
In tight turns and steep climbing i realy felt the drawback og the higher front and slacker angel. The steering got a bit to floppy for my likeings.
I did convince my self i could go a lot faster downhill, but when testing the fork at 150 again, i sat an record at an short "DH" segment...


I feel the HD3 is very vell balanced with an 150 fork.

 

Thank you nikno. That was what I was looking for

 

Thanks guys, I appreciate all the feedback. Throwing some roval traverse sl fatties carbon wheels on today and heading back out to tweak some more. Thank u again.

 

Is anyone putting a chainstay protector on their bikes or is the built in one good enough?

 

No and yes

 

Nice collection of HD3 builds from Ibis Chile

 

Wheels n Tires oh my !!!!!

OK Wow. So on my old bike (Bronson) u had some Enve M60 s with Hr2 and an Ardent.
My new HD3 came with Flow ex wheels and Minion 2.3 Dhfs. I just swapped to Roval Traverse SL Carbon Fatties ( 31mm inner width) wheels with continue trail king / mountain king combo 2.4. I can now say with some adjustments to my fork and shock this bike fu×&#€!*÷ RIPS........I am in Love with this bike and this wheelset. All I can say is if you are not loving your HD3 , spend some time trying all different air pressures and rebound settings and invest in some good wheels. Best $ I spent on a bike in a long time.

 

OK Wow. So on my old bike (Bronson) u had some Enve M60 s with Hr2 and an Ardent.
My new HD3 came with Flow ex wheels and Minion 2.3 Dhfs. I just swapped to Roval Traverse SL Carbon Fatties ( 31mm inner width) wheels with continue trail king / mountain king combo 2.4. I can now say with some adjustments to my fork and shock this bike fu×&#€!*÷ RIPS........I am in Love with this bike and this wheelset. All I can say is if you are not loving your HD3 , spend some time trying all different air pressures and rebound settings and invest in some good wheels. Best $ I spent on a bike in a long time.

Glad to hear as well...now you see why we were all saying no need to drop to 150...but you can if you want to.

ENJOY!!!

 

SCParker... Great to hear. It's a fantastic bike. Been riding mine since May and the honeymoon is not over; look foward to riding it every day.

 

I run 160mm fork and 25% sag on a large frame and it feels perfect. At 30% sag in the fork I feel too far forward. If your bike feels weird at 160 try dropping the bars down a bit

 

Yes Creg I did that, plus more pressure in shock, it really balanced it out. Bike is fantastic now.

 

I have worn through the paint on my right chainstay to the carbon, and it only took about 200km of winter riding. I have worn through the paint in a few other places (eg. top tube). I'd advise a neoprene chainstay protector or the extended rubber protector if you ride right leg rear.