[piciu256]

I'd say if he's only bottoming out occasionally, 2 more volume bands he has space for, might just be enough to avoid bottoming out.

 

[funks]

Your bike is on the lower end of how progressive it is for its travel. "The Meta TR 29 has 14.63% progression with a starting leverage ratio of 2.87 and finishing at 2.45. " (This is the 2019, it appears the 2021 is the same frame with 5mm more shock stroke).

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/behind-the-numbers-commencal-meta-tr-29.html

Most 140mm trail bikes we are seeing now are in the 20-25% range. Given the foregoing, I am not surprised that you are bottoming occasionally. The solutions are less sag, the regular can, and/or additional high speed compression.

Much thanks for the response. I picked up a standard air can. I'm currently only doing the 2 footer lips and I'm getting the occasional bottom out, pretty sure it'll become more of an occurrence once I start tackling the bigger jumps.

New Meta TR == 2021 (14.63%)
Old Meta TR == 2020 and below frame (10%)

 

[piciu256]

Would it be a safe bet that if a frame is designed to work with coil shocks that that there's a good chance one will need the standard can?

It's the other way round, if anything. I'd say it's more dependant on the rider itself, a heavy aggressive rider may need a more progressive spring, even with a fairly progressive linkage (yours is not the most, but it's not linear either) while a lighter rider, like me, can get by with a more linear spring, even without a very progressive linkage (18%, mid volume king can with 50mm stroke is perfect), probably has something to do with percentage of energy absorbed by the damper/ IFP/ Spring/ bottom bumper.
How much travel are you using when pushong hard on a flat ground without catching air?

 

[elcap23]

Anyone know if the Mara Pro would fit in a Transition Sentinel XXL frame? I haver emails into Manitou and called Transition without any info...Thanks in advance.

 

[piciu256]

Anyone tried the 30mm Fox roller bearing kit in a Mara?

 

[johnsogr]

Anyone tried the 30mm Fox roller bearing kit in a Mara? View attachment 1949196

Had success in a Mara IL, although it's pretty loose…

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[TylerVernon]

The RWC has different sized thingies for the perfect fit.

 

[johnsogr]

I tried and failed with RWC on my Mara IL - bearing was way too small in the eyelet


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[piciu256]

For me the RWC kit is way too expensive for what it is (I don't need fancy anodized parts for example, and shipping cost more importantly, it's a separate store with nothing else useful for me) but more importantly, they somehow manage to have only sizes useless to me- no 24mm and no 35mm, just odd sizes, which I'd have to use many ugly spacers with the nice kit to accound for.
The Fox kit seems nice cause I can get it with a bunch of other stuff (and the shock) with free shipping, and more importantly, it has standard roller bearings, so I don't have to pay the high shipping fee when they go.
The only issue I see is potential lack of fit (can be remedied with a shim) and having to remove it to slip off the can, from what I read, which sucks. I'll probably go for the trusted Enduro bearing itself, has 35mm size, is 20$ and I know that it fits loose in a Manitou shock, so I use a filler gauge as a shim.

 

[minisman]

Are there any drawings for the mara pro? I would like to see if the 165x45 trunion would fit on a Sniper L and still have room for a water bottle.

Digging back into a question that I dont think got answered... does anyone have drawings or dimensions on how the piggy back protrudes?
It seems there is a 165x45 trunnion model listed for sale now SKU: 192-36852-A012 (wasn't one when i looked 6 months ago) as we know these short shocks are generally jammed in small spaces on XC bikes...

 

[piciu256]

Looking at this picture, there should be no issue on this bike.

As for the dimensions, use the search bar at the top, they've been circulating several times.

 

[Suns_PSD]

I tried and failed with RWC on my Mara IL - bearing was way too small in the eyelet

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Mine fits perfectly and made a notable difference.
Not trying to invalidate your experience just pointing out to others not everyone experienced the same.

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[johnsogr]

Very interesting, suppose not every shock and hardware are the same? Fox one fit just fine so I don’t really care.


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[funks]

Got a question for you guys that bought the Standard Air Can for the Mara Pro. No instructions at all but was wondering why it came with two glide rings? Does one have to cut and remove the existing air piston glide ring that comes OOB for use with the King-Can? Additionally, it came with a black o-ring which looks like it's for the air can. Does that black o-ring replace the o-ring inside the air can mounting cavity? Or is that o-ring meant to be slipped on to the bottom part of the air can's threaded portion?

The two glide rings in the package are exactly the same size, so I'm assuming its a glide ring for the air piston.

I have the 210x55 Mara Pro

 

[piciu256]

Those are travel/ shock length spacers, depending on which mounting size you have, you might want to put them in, probably just use the same amount that you have in right now though.

 

[funks]

Those are travel/ shock length spacers, depending on which mounting size you have, you might want to put them in, probably just use the same amount that you have in right now though.

Much thanks!

 

[Caese]

Those are travel/ shock length spacers, depending on which mounting size you have, you might want to put them in, probably just use the same amount that you have in right now though.

hmm, are you shure about that? I pretty shure these are negativ spacers.
Travel-length spacer sits inside on the shaft

 

[piciu256]

Yes I worded it wrong, topout/ negative spacers, they lower the chocks travel and yey to eye length at the same time.
210x55+ 5mm spacer equals 205x50 etc.
The can might be for a longer eye to eye shock, so is provided with spacers to accommodate the shorter body, not sure about that, but I believe same spacers are inside the king can and should be same for same.

 

[Caese]

Got a question for you guys that bought the Standard Air Can for the Mara Pro. No instructions at all but was wondering why it came with two glide rings? Does one have to cut and remove the existing air piston glide ring that comes OOB for use with the King-Can? Additionally, it came with a black o-ring which looks like it's for the air can. Does that black o-ring replace the o-ring inside the air can mounting cavity? Or is that o-ring meant to be slipped on to the bottom part of the air can's threaded portion?

The two glide rings in the package are exactly the same size, so I'm assuming its a glide ring for the air piston.

I have the 210x55 Mara Pro

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You don t have to cut anything. Just pull down your kingcan, grease the o-rings and slide the new aircan on. You have to remove the white negativ-spacers and the red topout-pads if they are stuck in your old can. Reuse them in the new one.

 

[Caese]

Yes I worded it wrong, topout/ negative spacers, they lower the chocks travel and yey to eye length at the same time.
210x55+ 5mm spacer equals 205x50 etc.
The can might be for a longer eye to eye shock, so is provided with spacers to accommodate the shorter body, not sure about that, but I believe same spacers are inside the king can and should be same for same.

I had to doublecheck - but thats not right. Length and stroke are not affected by thouse two white spacers.
@Dougal correct me - but a response of Hayes makes me believe these are negative aircan spacers. If you remove them you get a bigger neg-air-volume?