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Have you ridden one?, yeah it does, a lot.
 
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I’ve even come around to the idea that it’s ok for gravity riders to use an ebike as a self shuttle, but the majority of folks I see are completely clueless, no etiquette, riding on trails with posted no pedal assist signs at the trailhead.
 
But, it does give new riders an option that might not have been available to them previously. Meaning, an unfit/new rider to the sport couldn't easily "buzz" people on the climbs at 10-15mph very easily before ebikes, while most people fit enough to do that historically, would probably have enough experience/etiquette to know thats not a great idea for many reasons.
Yes and I've experienced this personally. We were riding a trail center that's setup with session-able loops, so you can end up crossing paths with the same people over and over. There were two kids on ebikes hauling ass up the climbs running up on people without saying anything, just expecting people to jump out of their way. I could imagine that as ebikes becoming more popular/accepted that they also might get more comfortable expecting everyone to get out of their way. I have no problem letting faster riders pass but a crowded trail center with a lot of ebikers expecting everyone to get out of their way sounds terrible.
 
The comments "they are the same speed as regular pedal bikes" and "they are no faster than pedal bikes" have been spouted over and over since eBikes first came on the scene and this section of the forum was created. Feel free to dig through some of the threads on this site. I am not making this up.
and to anyone that believed that from the start, their street cred of actually having intelligence just went down a couple of notches. we are talking about a motor here. if it weren't any easier with the use of one, they would never have sold any of the things...
 
and to anyone that believed that from the start, their street cred of actually having intelligence just went down a couple of notches. we are talking about a motor here. if it weren't any easier with the use of one, they would never have sold any of the things...
"It's not a motaahhh!!!"

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Have you ridden one?, yeah it does, a lot.
Yes I’ve ridden an ebike. The percentage of time someone uses turbo mode is irrelevant. Most people are going to use that mode on climbs, which is where they cause the most nuisance. Ask anyone that’s had a negative encounter with an ebike out on the trails. 9/10 times it’s on a climb.
 
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You think everyone is riding them around in turbo mode all the time?
Well now I need to perform another study and borrow my buddies Levo for a nice long solo ride and see what fits. But I expect that yes I would use Turbo for all the climbs and I would put it on Eco for the descents and probably adjust it up and down on the fly depending on the section I am riding.
 
I’ve even come around to the idea that it’s ok for gravity riders to use an ebike as a self shuttle, but the majority of folks I see are completely clueless, no etiquette, riding on trails with posted no pedal assist signs at the trailhead.
If your name is accurate, it’s little wonder…
 
For all these "eBike riders are all mtb experts", I encourage anyone to go to dedicated eBike forums, sites, social media and take stock of what you read and see. Maybe be extra observant of what you notice on more pedestrian trail systems. The market for eBikes include waaaay more than our little mtb enthusiasts on expensive models, we're a fraction.
I would recommend emtbr.com
An E-bike site (not e-moto) with members from all over the world.


but the majority of folks I see are completely clueless, no etiquette, riding on trails with posted no pedal assist signs at the trailhead.
Thank god I live in New Mexico. Most E-Mtber's I know are older experienced Mountain Bikers. Most of the younger 'noob' riders I know and see are riding 10k Yeti's.

Btw, NM sucks, too many meth heads
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and UFOs.

You definitely should not move here.

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Yes I’ve ridden an ebike. The percentage of time someone uses turbo mode is irrelevant. Most people are going to use that mode on climbs, which is where they cause the most nuisance. Ask anyone that’s had a negative encounter with an ebike out on the trails. 9/10 times it’s on a climb.
Only time I use it is on wide open stuff like a fireroad and when I'm not concerned about battery life, probably 10% of the time. It's just too much for the singletrack I ride especially the climbs. What mode you use is definitely relevant if your arguing they are 2x as fast, the diff between trail mode and turbo is huge, like a fit racer compared to a doped up pro
 
I’m now 68, carrying an extra 15 Covid lbs, and I’ve had class 1’s for a few years now. I get out on singletrack and fire roads for a long ride every few months, weather, health and life permitting and I’d say an eMTB makes me about 10x’s faster that if I was on a non-ebike. So what? Is anyone harmed by an old man going out in the hills and canyons on a legal Class 1 once in a while?
 
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