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I mean, you do remember that was the mountain bikers' argument in favor of access, right?
Are you arguing that the 'meat powered' riders of today are like the hikers and equestrians of the past? Makes sense since no electric motors are utilized in their activities. Funny how the 'old is forever new'
 
Are you arguing that the 'meat powered' riders of today are like the hikers and equestrians of the past? Makes sense since no electric motors are utilized in their activities. Funny how the 'old is forever new'
He's saying that all the old HOH arguments against allowing mountain bikes on trails are now being re-hashed by some mountain bikers to argue against allowing e-bikes on trails.
And he's 100% correct.
 
You seriously don't remember when the MTB/MTBer was the change whose access to the shared resource was argued to be secondary to that of hikers/equestrians, given the latter's status as "traditional" trail users? You think any of us swallowed that bullshit?

The reality is that the status quo deserves no special veneration over that of change. But time-and-again, people with a vested interest in the status quo have tried to pretend that it does. It's just sad that a mountain biker would reframe the same "seniority" argument that was once used against all of us... now to define an out-group on the basis on aesthetics (meat-powered vs. not-purely-meat-powered), rather on the basis of actual impact on the shared resource and other trail users.

I mean, you do remember that was the mountain bikers' argument in favor of access, right?
Meat powered? Man, you guys invent all sorts of divisive weird language. Amish bikes. Acoustic. Flintstone. Analog. Geezers like teenagers. Cringe brah!

Go ahead and bring this attitude and talking point to your next land manager meeting. The fact is all the other use groups are officially allowed and eBikes, being motorized, are not. Absent of the existence of any other user group, you'd still have to petition for a policy change... your weird victimization attitude doesn't change that.

And, for what its worth, the way I advocated for mtb access isn't the way I'd do it today. You know why? I'm much better informed. I've worked in the process. So, yeah, being experienced and gaining knowledge over time has reshaped my opinion and conduct. It's called growth.

You have an amazing capacity for denial of reality - there is a material difference between a having a motor and not. Just the enforcement alone is problematic (re: class 1 vs. class 2/3). That's before you consider inherent changes to speed, user and demo shifts. Best of luck! You should get the access you deserve.
 
He's saying that all the old HOH arguments against allowing mountain bikes on trails are now being re-hashed by some mountain bikers to argue against allowing e-bikes on trails.
And he's 100% correct.
If he is 100% correct, and if history is our guide, we will gain access not lose trail access! We just have to live through this un-avoidable transition. In the meantime, at least have fire roads and moto trails to ride. (those guys are at least open minded to my sport)
 
If he is 100% correct, and if history is our guide, we will gain access not lose trail access! We just have to live through this un-avoidable transition. In the meantime, at least have fire roads and moto trails to ride. (those guys are at least open minded to my sport)
FWIW, as I already wrote numerous times, my position is that eBikes are suitable on a majority of existing trails. However, not all. There are, for all intents and purposes, hard stops where terms of legally binding documents like a conservation easement won't allow them. The rest is up to community appetite and discretion of the land managers who are charged with policy / enforcement.

It's a very threatening position - you can't ride anything you want just because there's a new invention. You'll be subject to....rules. Here's a secret: I don't think mtb should be allowed on any old trail either. The horror!
 
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