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So, you want to hit the reset button. Fair enough, I have been sitting here reading this thread and watching it grow rapidly while not agreeing at all with your premise that E bikes are twice as fast as regular bikes overall on the trails and therefore not an easy mix. My guess is more like 25% faster overall. Yes there are examples at the edge of
the bell curve and I suspect that is exactly where you and a good portion of this forum are.
I don't dispute your numbers a bit and believe you to be accurate in your reporting. My disagreement is in your conclusions. In my experience, E bikers are much more concerned with people, food and social gathering than their non e bike brethren who are more concerned with the biking experience and maximizing efficiency. E bikers tend towards matching the performance of the overall group and pick up the pace or dial it back to stay in the social gathering. They are more apt to be in your way and unconcerned with your efficiency experience than running you over.
On forums such as this, the perception is different than overall reality and rightly so. You would not be on this forum if you were not passionate about the experience.
For me, years ago on the mtb it was way more about efficiency and pushing, back in the XC days. But now on a mtb or emtb it’s definitely more about the enjoyment of getting together, ripping some trails and if it’s an epic, definitely food bag and drinks. That’s why I love this sport and with the Ebike it just feels less “intense” and less of a testosterone fest.
 
Good test. A rider of unknown ability can detect a hill that he/she can ascend in half the time on an e-MTB when compared to an MTB. Has no relationship to any other rider on any terrain or to this rider on anything but this hill.
 
Here's my results. Same rider, same route, "fast recreational" pace on both rides. Only 2.8 mph faster on the ebike over the course of the entire ride.

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kind of except with the ebike it still goes pretty quick and you have to stay on your toes more than just grind it out
Yes! That’s what makes it more exciting and challenging. It’s not a big issue if you can ride.
 
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Right now I have a 64 yr old friend who got the e-bike bug. I am hearing how his muscles seam more worn out after the ride. The heart rate being up higher and other things. I am already telling him he is going to sell his regular bike, he denies it. Next night ride I am going to pour a bit of my beer out for the loss of another real mtb'r but he will still be welcome in my group along with two other ebikers. The thing that bugs me is that he went camping with a group of ebikers and they left him behind and ragged him and pushed trying out their bike and went on about the health benefits. I don't mind the group but this behaviour bugs me. Any time you question ebike fanatics they get beligerent about it. That's what bugs me the most.
 
I am already telling him he is going to sell his regular bike, he denies it. Next night ride I am going to pour a bit of my beer out for the loss of another real mtb'r
Beligerent? Pot...kettle...black?

Sorry, but that's a really douchey thing to say, and pretty revealing about your ego. How dare he ride more, and have more fun, especially at his age.
 
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Beligerent? Pot...kettle...black?

Sorry, but that's a really douchey thing to say, and pretty revealing about your ego. How dare he ride more, and have more fun, especially at his age.
Your proving my point...
I just don't get the anger.
 
Right now I have a 64 yr old friend who got the e-bike bug. I am hearing how his muscles seam more worn out after the ride. The heart rate being up higher and other things. I am already telling him he is going to sell his regular bike, he denies it. Next night ride I am going to pour a bit of my beer out for the loss of another real mtb'r but he will still be welcome in my group along with two other ebikers. The thing that bugs me is that he went camping with a group of ebikers and they left him behind and ragged him and pushed trying out their bike and went on about the health benefits. I don't mind the group but this behaviour bugs me. Any time you question ebike fanatics they get beligerent about it. That's what bugs me the most.
piss off
 
This is very close to violating the site posting rules about making personal attacks on other site users.
The trolls are coming out. I really get getting an ebike for recovery days or if your unable to ride due to health reasons. There were some good discussions posted. Thanks for the post.
 
Dang, just wow. To me it’s simple, if you like ebikes and own one, or want to own one, post here in the ebike forum. If you don’t, than don’t bother. I mean wtf? I’m personally not a fan of rigid or single speeds, but whatever? At the end of the day, we are consumers of the emtbs being produced by the same manufacturers that mtbrs ride, and yes, 98 or 99% of us were former mtbrs and still ride mtbs. Not me, I’ve made the switch and will never look back. So, if everybody are true cyclists, than seriously why such the hate? We all know anyone can be a Jack a—, on anything. We also know emtbs are not going to disappear. I believe, mtbs will become the minority in the future. Whether good or bad, things change and it’s just the way it is. Not for everyone, agreed.But damn man, sounds like a bunch of beutches on here whining about BS.
 
The me vs. you thing is part of what keeps the lights on here on empty beer. I joined here in 1999 and it was the same thing then but about 29" wheels. Maybe because mtbr has so many sub forums that people get bored of trying to find somebody to discuss the finer points of hitting berms at speed or single speed fat bikes etc. and wander over here to talk about things they really do know nothing about.
 
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The me vs. you thing is part of what keeps the lights on here on empty beer…
I agree and what makes this topic that much more volatile is that what we got here are two different sports. I guess we are supposed to pretend they are the same sport because there is a specific forum for ebikes here on a mountain bike web site, but people don’t like that, because they are not the same sport. So, no matter what the mods or anyone at emptybeer do, it will not stop the me vs you, because that is what it is, one sport vs another different sport.

*although, can you call ebiking a sport? Do they have ebike competitions? Or is ebiking a sport like jet skiing is a sport? Super fun, but not really challenging.
 
To me it’s simple, if you like ebikes and own one, or want to own one, post here in the ebike forum. If you don’t, than don’t bother.
I can't speak for others, but I frequently click the big "NEW" button at the top of the page. And new threads/responses no matter the subforum show up that way.

But damn man, sounds like a bunch of beutches on here whining about BS.
Sure, there have been people complaining on both sides, but I honestly think its been surprisingly even kneeled for the most part. But I don't really see how reporting that hikers/other trail users are talking about trail speeds in their local meetings, which could impact mountain bike access is really "whining".

I really have nothing to prove to/compete with a guy passing me on a climb trail on an ebike, and honestly don't have strong feelings either way about them (other than WOW, some can be expensive). But ebike poaching that causes other user groups to get vocal in access meetings? That does strike closer to home, and causes people to speak up.

And... Both "they are only 25% faster overall" and "they are two to three times faster when climbing in turbo mode", can easily be true. But to other trail users, they only usually see bikers for a moment. So whatever speed you pass them at, is their impression of your speed, for better or worse.

*although, can you call ebiking a sport? Do they have ebike competitions? Or is ebiking a sport like jet skiing is a sport? Super fun, but not really challenging.
You can! Or... at least, they have the E-EWS series running alongside the actual EWS series. So in that case its probably a sport. They time the the ups, and the downs.

Say what you will about Ebike racing. But IIRC this last year we had 2-3 decades worth of DH world champions battling it out (competitively) for the one race I heard about (Reece Wilson, Sam Hill, and Nicolas Vouilloz). And who can't say they haven't wondered what it would be like to see them all race before?

 
You can go as fast or as slow as you want, just depends on your battery and controller voltage, and of course your wheel diameter and how much you pedal.
You could hook up to 24v hub motor like a bafang that is like a stupid 15t (really low rpm per volt) and go as slow as you want, vs 72v 3t setup.
 
not angry but you are a disrespectful troll, what do you expect
Where was I a troll? I point out facts and out comes the hate. People buy e-bikes and some people have to prove why they did it or get cocky to prove some point. I just want to ride my bike and people like to ride with me. If you want to spew anger go ahead but it is petty and not becoming of you.
 
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