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This thread is so 6yrs ago mbtr never disappoints.

The bike I ride you can't even talk about on here but is a beast on logging roads here in the PNW that are mostly all behind locked gates. I have come up with a scale of 1-5 to describe different grades of road base. 1 is similar to black top in hardness and 5 is basically what they call rip rap and is used as a base layer but still ridable.

In fact they just started some county road construction up the road a little ways that is taking over a gated entrance that we used to use as one of the access points to the local forest that is littered with logging roads of all sorts including really old ones we turn into single tracks. The new road will be paved. But luckily we have a single track that goes up in there now just to the north of it.

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I am checking in after work is done for the day to see how they are progressing. Project is going to take until fall of '23.
 
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Everyone on this forum has bombed downhill into hikers,poached illegal trails,& ridden into slower riders going uphill.
I take exception to this blanket statement. I've been riding mtb for close to 40 years and advocating for land and trail access for most of that time. In an effort to gain and maintain access in our area, I have not and do not participate in the activities you suggest "everyone" is doing, nor do most of the people with whom I ride. I volunteer as a trail builder, as a regional mtb patroller, and on a community open space advisory board as a mtb representative advocating for more bike access to local trails while trying to keep other user groups from shutting us out.
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I take exception to this blanket statement. I've been riding mtb for close to 40 years and advocating for land and trail access for most of that time. In an effort to gain and maintain access in our area, I have not and do not participate in the activities you suggest "everyone" is doing, nor do most of the people with whom I ride. I volunteer as a trail builder, as a regional mtb patroller, and on a community open space advisory board as a mtb representative advocating for more bike access to local trails while trying to keep other user groups from shutting us out.
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Whatever you say pal..... LOL:rolleyes:
 
In Tahoe at least, there are many many illegal trails, and they get ridden regularly. Not by everyone though because they are built by good riders and they are pretty technical.

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I take exception to this blanket statement. I've been riding mtb for close to 40 years and advocating for land and trail access for most of that time. In an effort to gain and maintain access in our area, I have not and do not participate in the activities you suggest "everyone" is doing, nor do most of the people with whom I ride. I volunteer as a trail builder, as a regional mtb patroller, and on a community open space advisory board as a mtb representative advocating for more bike access to local trails while trying to keep other user groups from shutting us out.
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That’s awesome. Do you ride ebikes or are ebikes allowed on the trail system you patrol?
 
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Whatever you say pal..... LOL:rolleyes:
So you're mocking someone for building trails? Or are you also convinced that everyone poaches? I don't. Only time I "bombed down" on a hiker was on a trail where mtbers have the right of way, and it wasn't even that close, just not a lot of room as the trail was carved into a steep hillside.

I'm sure _CJ riders faster on the trails that mountain bikes have the right of way over foot traffic as well.
 
That’s awesome. Do you ride ebikes or are ebikes allowed on the trail system you patrol?
I have demoed a couple of ebikes, but have not ridden them extensively. I don't really have strong feelings about them either way. Right now I don't see myself using one on trails, though I am tempted to get one for in town travel to cut down on car miles.

We have a patchwork of land agencies here (city, county, state, and federal) some of whose trails are interconnected and who have differing rules about ebikes, which makes it challenging from a user and an enforcement standpoint.
 
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CJ pointed out a very good study that was done on a trail system with really open sight lines and wide trials, and eBikes work great there.
There are a ton of trails with "poor sight lines" in Jeffco. No documented cases of ebikes causing a problem. Enduro-bros treating the trails like their own private world cup downhill course on the other hand....


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There are a ton of trails with "poor sight lines" in Jeffco. No documented cases of ebikes causing a problem. Enduro-bros treating the trails like their own private world cup downhill course on the other hand....
That may certainly be true. Since I am not from Colorado and have only visited Jeffco Open Space via Google photos I got the impression it was pretty wide open when it came to sightlines:
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I was trying to find the article I recall from a few years back when the study was first done because all the photos I saw in that study were similar to the ones above. Do you have some better pictures of the Jeffco trails you can share with us?

This was one of the few articles I could find that actually has some pictures of the Jeffco trails:

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For the record I am really glad they did this study, it certainly impacted my view of eBikes back when it was conducted. From what I read trail interaction between cyclists and hikers has historically been really good in the area, which is very similar to how it is in my local riding area in San Diego.
 
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It has been my experience that most rouge trails start as animal trails and are taken over by humans.
Definitely not the case in this region.
Most were purposely created by bikers/hikers/fisherman/etc.
These days, mainly by mountain bikers.
 
That may certainly be true. Since I am not from Colorado and have only visited Jeffco Open Space via Google photos I got the impression it was pretty wide open when it came to sightlines:
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I was trying to find the article I recall from a few years back when the study was first done because all the photos I saw in that study were similar to the ones above. Do you have some better pictures of the Jeffco trails you can share with us?

This was one of the few articles I could find that actually has some pictures of the Jeffco trails:

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For the record I am really glad they did this study, it certainly impacted my view of eBikes back when it was conducted. From what I read trail interaction between cyclists and hikers has historically been really good in the area, which is very similar to how it is in my local riding area in San Diego.
Is that actually considered a trail? For like, bikes or for automobiles? Being serious here.
 
That may certainly be true. Since I am not from Colorado and have only visited Jeffco Open Space via Google photos I got the impression it was pretty wide open when it came to sightlines:

I was trying to find the article I recall from a few years back when the study was first done because all the photos I saw in that study were similar to the ones above. Do you have some better pictures of the Jeffco trails you can share with us?
Is that actually considered a trail? For like, bikes or for automobiles? Being serious here.
Those trails in Klurejr's reply do not accurately represent all of the trails in Jefferson County, which is 774 square miles and covers topography from metropolitan city and prairie to mountains.
Here are a couple of videos from Jefferson County trails that are more pertinent to this discussion:
 
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Those trails in Klurejr's reply do not accurately represent all of the trails in Jefferson County, which is 774 square miles and covers topography from metropolitan city and prairie to mountains.
Here are a couple of videos from Jefferson County trails that are more pertinent to this discussion:
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That Apex Trail looks amazing. Must be nice to have a Single Direction Bikes only trail. The trail systems in San Diego have only Muti-use and Multi-directional trails(for now).
I have not finished all the videos yet, but in the case of a trail like Apex, the speed differential(main point of this thread) is going to be nil (video was showing mostly a decent) between an eBike and a pedal bike, and without pedestrians the chances for user conflict between wheeled conveyances and hikers is literally zero unless the hiker is on a bike only trail, and then it is the hikers fault for being in the wrong place.
If more land managers took note of this type of trail building the conflicts that exist would all but disappear when you give bikes dedicated trails, and keep hikers on their own trails.
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Just finished the first video. nothing at the Apex Park was tight or had bad sight lines. All the single track was wide open, meaning you could see a good distance to avoid trail conflict. The single track is narrow as was demonstrated when they showed the main group on the side of the trail to let another Cyclist by in the opposite direction.

I will get to the second video later today.
 
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