[Skooks]

Nothing against carbon, but my next Knolly will almost certainly be aluminum.

 

[vikb]

Nothing against carbon, but my next Knolly will almost certainly be aluminum.

Having had carbon and AL I'm not really fussed either way. The carbon bikes I've looked at recently [for the most part] did not inspire me to spend $1K+ over the metal versions. I didn't find any magical ride qualities with carbon so I'd be getting it either because it's the only option for a particular bike or there is a significant weight savings over metal.

 

[juan_speeder]

I heard the geometry wouldn't change so I don't know...maybe trunnion and non-trunnion shock would do the difference??? (really not a shock expert..lol)

So, I'm new to the whole metric shock thing, but over on the Jenson site they've got the trunnion mount metric DHX2 listed, and it comes in several different strokes that all share the same length, so this makes sense.

Fox Float DPX2 Factory Trunnion Shock 18 | Jenson USA

 

[HH4L]

Ahh that's nice! I thought more as something like a normal shock mount for 120mm and trunnion mount for 135mm as maybe it could do the difference... But what you just saw IS our answer!



I tried an endo with a CC coil and really liked it but I think for my everyday bike, I would like it to be more poppy so I would try a Topaz T3 or T2.

Alloy for me too! I like the look of carbon frames but that's about it. Not willing to pay 1000+$ for carbon! My present enduro bike is 27-28 pounds, all aluminium except for the Next SL crank and SixC handlebar! A Knolly would be heavier but also stiffer so I don't care that much... Just hope I like those colors. Would have liked raw so I could match it with any color I want.

 

[Kombinat.PL]

There will be for coil shocks available in trunnion, aside from RS and Fox, there will be Push 11-6 and Extreme Shox Storia LOK. Storia will hit the market spring, early summer.

Coil [IL] probably is miles away, so I'm thinking about Storia more seriously now.

 

[StumpyandhisBike]

Has it been specified that there indeed will be two different shock lengths for the 120 and 135 travel modes on the Fugitive? It looks to me that the two different travel amounts are going to be based on different shock positions and not two different length shocks.

This is similar to what Guerrilla Gravity does on their MT/SD frame. The different shock position alters both the geometry and the travel for the same stroke shock. With the MT you get 150mm or 165mm of travel with a 65mm stroke shock that has an eye to eye length of 230mm. The SD uses the same eye to eye length but with a 57.5mm stroke to produce 135 or 145 mm of travel depending on the shock mount position used.

Is that the case here as well? Or would the two different mounts provide the same travel but only change the leverage curve and geometry?

 

[juan_speeder]

Might be both. 52.5mm in the forward hole for 120, and 55mm in the rear for 135.

 

[Big B]

Has it been specified that there indeed will be two different shock lengths for the 120 and 135 travel modes on the Fugitive? It looks to me that the two different travel amounts are going to be based on different shock positions and not two different length shocks.

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Is that the case here as well? Or would the two different mounts provide the same travel but only change the leverage curve and geometry?

All Knolly bikes have this feature for 2 different head tube angles. Head over to the Knolly's website, and you'll see two numbers for head tube angle, bottom bracket height, and seat tube angle. These two numbers are based on the position of the lower shock mount. It doesn't change the shock or stroke, just lets you adjust the head angle geo slightly for those long pedal days, or the days where you plan on getting a steep and rowdy.

I keep mine in the slack setting most of the time, but will change to steep if I know I'm doing primarily XC or hill riding. Bend, OR., steep setting vs. Squamish, I go slack.

 

[Big B]

Correction: Almost all Knolly bikes have the adjustable head tube angle in the lower shock mount, except the Endorphin. Also, some of the retired bikes had it and some didn't. My V-tach has the adjuster embedded in the four by linkage. Looks like the Podium and Delirium T didn't have it. My Delirium and the Warden have it though.

 

[David R]

The geo chart for the Fugitive shows two different HTA/STA numbers for the 120mm travel set up, so the two positions are there for that reason at least. Maybe with the longer shock option you'll only be able to use one of them? Guess it all depends if it's a longer shock length or just a longer stroke.

 

[Big B]

The geo chart for the Fugitive shows two different HTA/STA numbers for the 120mm travel set up, so the two positions are there for that reason at least. Maybe with the longer shock option you'll only be able to use one of them? Guess it all depends if it's a longer shock length or just a longer stroke.

There is no longer/shorter shock option, related to overall eye to eye. I get that trunnion vs standard might be described as longer/shorter, but the actual shock travel and eye to eye should not be different. It's a 120mm travel bike, with adjustable head tube angle. Using the slack vs steep, bottom shock mount adjuster, you can drop the bottom bracket a little bit, which slacks out the head tube and seat tube angles by .75 degrees. That's why the Knolly geo chart shows two numbers. Rear travel, shock length, and stroke does not change.

 

[StumpyandhisBike]

All Knolly bikes have this feature for 2 different head tube angles. Head over to the Knolly's website, and you'll see...

Correction: Almost all Knolly bikes have the adjustable head tube angle in the lower shock mount, except the Endorphin.

Ha. I actually did go over to the Knolly website before posting but only looked at the Endo. Guess I should have looked around a bit more.

...It's a 120mm travel bike, with adjustable head tube angle... Rear travel, shock length, and stroke does not change.

In the statement put out by Knolly he clearly said there would be two versions of the Fugitive.

"The first models to launch will be the upcoming Fugitive 120mm travel 29er and Fugitive 135mm travel 29er."

So I wonder what those configurations are going to look like? How different will the geometry of the 135 variant be from the 120, if at all, than that of the provided geo chart of the 120?

When is this bike slated to be released?

 

[Big B]

My bad, I thought I might be missing something, but didn't see the announcement for two versions. I was confused because the post called them two "modes", rather than two different versions.

 

[Skooks]

But it is still possible (likely even) that it's one frame with 2 different shock travels.

 

[c.o.d51]

Pictures or it's fake news.

Ha! I wish! But you know what they say...

 

[c.o.d51]

But it is still possible (likely even) that it's one frame with 2 different shock travels.

This is what it is.

The two shock mounts are for steep and slack mode.

 

[David R]

Yep. Knolly confirmed somewhere in the comments on facebook or pinkbike that it's one frame with the option of changing the shock to run it at 120mm or 135mm travel. A long-travel 29er is on the cards for 2019.

What hasn't been confirmed are the dimensions for the shock for each mode, so it could be the same length with different stroke, or different length and stroke (as the Delirium is).

 

[HH4L]

Like David R said, the long travel is for 2019. The two bikes are the same frame but with a different shock so you can have 120mm or 135mm. That's pretty simple and Knolly already told that... If you have facebook, go take a look at their posts and you'll have all that info.

The 2 holes are for slack and neutral mode, just like you can see in the geo chart. Same thing as the warden.

I don't know the dimensions but I heard that the shocks would be the same length (with different stroke) so the geometry would stay the same. It will change if you put a 150mm fork though.

 

[Skooks]

Like David R said, the long travel is for 2019. The two bikes are the same frame but with a different shock so you can have 120mm or 135mm. That's pretty simple and Knolly already told that... If you have facebook, go take a look at their posts and you'll have all that info.

The 2 holes are for slack and neutral mode, just like you can see in the geo chart. Same thing as the warden.

I don't know the dimensions but I heard that the shocks would be the same length (with different stroke) so the geometry would stay the same. It will change if you put a 150mm fork though.

Yeah I got it thanks. Don't have or want farcebook though, so will have to wait for more information to come out. One of the local shops has Knolly demos so hopefully I will get a chance to try one out.

 

[Veggibiker]

Knolly was skewered on pinkbike for trying to market their 157trail hub as as innovation on par with sliced bread. Read the comments, hilarious. https://www.pinkbike.com/news/knolly-moves-entire-lineup-to-157mm-spacing-157trail.html

Some of the funnier posts on Knolly's 157trail marketing tactics:

"For a company which claims to be avoiding marketing BS, there certainly is a lot of marketing BS in this..."

"I think the audience has been vocal about not wanting marketing BS so the marketeers jumped into that and now market their standpoint of not creating marketing BS. I think this way of marketing is getting boring real quick so I expect we'll soon have to deal with marketeers who market the company standpoint of not marketing their avoidance of creating marketing BS. I think once we've reached that point the PB audience will be tied in a knot discussing what level of marketing BS they just read."