I was told end of the month, but on the website it actually says 9/15, so I think my guy was just best guessing. Either way, it can't get here fast enough. It is basically exactly what I want in a trail emtb. I still have a Trek Rail for full fat days, but I ride the majority of the time by myself, so I can't wait!

 

I'm holding off to see what the Pivot and the new Levo SL look like. The Levo will obviously have more travel and be more plush but there is a lot to consider. As I get t\o my mid-55 though, the plush part FINALLY sounds appealing, instead of being a four-letter word.

 

And add the Transition Relay and Trek Fuel EXe to the list. There are lots of these stealthy mid-powered eMTBs coming out.

 

Not a Trek fan but will look at the Transition. I like this space.

 

I'm not usually a Trek fan either, and my trail bike is a Pivot Trail 429, but the Fuel EXe seems to tick all the boxes for me. Geometry, travel amount, quiet motor, controls, display, and price all look really good to me.

 

The SL's are popping up in shops in the Phoenix area. I rode one in the parking lot yesterday.

Very quiet and smooth power delivery. The power seems to come on slower in the higher power mode than in the easiest mode. I believe that's all adjustable via the app.

I was surprised the large XTR build with Dissectors weighed 39 lbs. This is with Fox 36 and DPX2.

 

The SL's are popping up in shops in the Phoenix area. I rode one in the parking lot yesterday.

Very quiet and smooth power delivery. The power seems to come on slower in the higher power mode than in the easiest mode. I believe that's all adjustable via the app.

I was surprised the large XTR build with Dissectors weighed 39 lbs. This is with Fox 36 and DPX2.

With or without pedals?

 

My laege Levo SL with Dissector WT and DHR II WT, DPX2, FOX 36, also weighs 40 lbs. I find that pretty light for an ebike not built with a focus on being light. However, the frame is not especially stiff. It isn't bad or too distracting on really choppy/fast runs but my Ripmo is definitely stiffer, so the Levo SL frame must be quite light.

I'll be willing to bet that the Pivot frame is stiffer than the Levo SL, so 40 lbs is good in my book. The range will be interesting to see. I am usually in Eco and maybe 20% on Trail if it is a 2K+ ride. So my range is really good. I can do 40 miles and 4,500 ft and still have 20% left (178 lbs). I have extenders too I can do way more if needed (it isn't needed LOL ). I'm curious to see what the Pivot can do in that type of setting.

 

I got to play with a Shuttle SL this past weekend, it’s definitely lighter than my wife’s Shuttle, but it’s definitely heavier than my Canfield Lithium; my Lithium is a burly enduro bike and weighs in between 36-37#.

The shop guy says it weighs “37# according to Pivot”; the shop had recently spent a day demoing the bike at a Pivot event.

I asked the shop guy if he’d weighed the bike; he had a scale hanging from the rafter ~ five feet away and he ignored me, I asked again and he repeated the Pivot claims.

My guess, the Shuttle SL weighs somewhere around 40# ready to ride in the XT/SLX build, which sells for $11,500 😳

At double the cost of my Lithium, I don’t see one in my garage anytime soon.

 

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I asked the shop guy if he’d weighed the bike; he had a scale hanging from the rafter ~ five feet away and he ignored me, I asked again and he repeated the Pivot claims.

My guess, the Shuttle SL weighs somewhere around 40# ready to ride in the XT/SLX build, which sells for $11,500 😳
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He wouldn’t even weigh it? Sounds like a stand up guy.

Where did you get that price from? The actual price is $8,300 if that sounds better for you?

 

37lbs for the small decked out in XTR, XC wheels/tires, no pedals and mfg "calibrated" scale, all other models- 40's.

 

Marketing geniuses

 

A friend of mine works at a bike shop and has weighed the Team XTR, size large. With raceface atlas pedals, set up tubeless it was 41lbs. I had a specialized Levo SL expert that I added Roval Traverse control carbons in large it was 38. I also had a large M10 Rise, it was 42lbs. All of these weights are ready to ride. Looks to me that the Pivot fits in nicely for the lightweight segment.

If we are going to talk price, the new Levo SL expert will be @11K, the pro 12-13K while the MTeam Rise if 10.5K. Lets face it, they are all expensive, but none are too far from the others in the segment.

 

Sounds like you know a little more than we do about the new Levo SL. Will it drop in Sept. or Oct? If you can’t be exact, is it weeks or months away for the enquiring minds who want to know?

 

Not interested in the Pivot, they always miss the mark for my tastes.

Now the new Levo SL is worth paying attention to. Planning to get an e-bike next Spring so beginning to really pay attention to the available products.

 

The Pivot intrigues me more than the Trek and a lot more than the Haibike that’s not the most readily available here in the states. Luckily I will eventually be able to demo the Pivot and new Spec. SL because my LBS carries both.

 

I’m only going by what I was told they expect the new Levo SL to cost. So, it’s not the gospel by any means. The SL usually mirrors the full fat levo in terms of pricing, but I could be off. Having said that, with the current msrp environment, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were actually higher. Bike prices are just nuts.
As for when it will drop? I’ve heard mid September, but, take that with a grain of salt.

 

Yep. 10,500-11,000 sounds about right for the expert. Let’s hope it‘s full X01 and doesn’t come with a GX cassette. Higher prices okay the new norm, but decreasing the spec is getting ridiculous. They certainly won’t be decreasing in price!

 

Agree 100%! I’m looking forward to seeing what it offers. I really liked my previous SL, I was even fine with the power. The only real gripe I had was the loud motor.

 

Response from local PHX shop: "Pivot's current situation on the SL Med in Sage green (or blue) is approximately 14 months on full paid orders. They let us know that they are completely sold out on all SL models."

 

that's nuts
i got an LT coming next week, I'm selling my levo sl, hopefully

 

Are there any new owners to report their experience with Shuttle SL? They must be too busy out riding them.

 

Mine's coming in November, hopefully. After 2 years on an Orbea Rise, I couldn't deal with the crappy rear suspension anymore. Tried 3 different shocks (stock DPS, DPX2, Mara, and Float X) and none felt good at all on it. Hopefully the slightly less travel of the Shuttle SL will still be better than the Rise's and will be glad to be rid of the clanking motor, although that wasn't as big a deal as some make it out to be. Build quality/customer service should be much better as well.

 

After 2 years on an Orbea Rise, I couldn't deal with the crappy rear suspension anymore. Tried 3 different shocks (stock DPS, DPX2, Mara, and Float X) and none felt good at all on it.

What? The rise does not have crappy rear suspension. You seem to be a dw link zealot so you'll likely jive with another dw link bike... I'm an equal opportunity suspension design person and I would in no way consider the rear suspension on the rise crappy. It is not as active as some designs in certain situations (other modified single pivots or horst links) but it is not as firm with anti-squat as others (dw's) and it splits the middle with regards to braking forces with 50% anti-rise that remains consistent through the travel where a dw link design is going to be at 100% and will firm up and squat on the brakes.

What I'm trying to say is that it comes down to riding preference. Specifically if you're using the rear brake during or through corners or not. The shuttle sl is going to ride firmer through the travel and will ramp up harder at the end. It has shorter chainstays, is going to be more progressive so it will ramp up harder and faster and it's going to be choosier on front/rear weight bias and is going to require the rider be more deliberate about weighting the front in both cornering and climbing. These are all characteristics that are standard to pivot bikes and you either like em or you do not. I personally, do not, but I do not do much of the riding that these bike are designed in/for (national trail in phx) so they often don't jive with me.

Generally, suspension design and performance is more normalized with ebikes then it is with pedal bikes at the moment... there isn't a huge amount of variation between them, even when comparing the dw link ebike designs vs modified single pivots vs vpp. The impacts to geometry and rider weight balance, are still more significant of a factor to how teh bike feels then the suspension design... just as what has become true for the current crop of pedal bikes.

 

I’ve had a Rise and a Shuttle Sl and I can say the rear suspension on the Pivot is really good. Feels a heck of a lot like kore than 132.

 

Mine arrived yesterday and it's awesome.

The app is a little disappointing though but I had low expectations. The Pivot manual says it connects to the Rider App and it does not. Fazua Support and their FAQ state the Ride 60 system does not work with the Rider App.

The good news is they are bringing those features into "Fazua" app which is primarily for managing rider profiles.

Fazua Response:

Pivot Manual:

 

I've had both, and I agree with minimus, I actually think the Rise suspension is pretty darn good. Having said that, if I'm being honest, I think the Pivot 'feels' more plush, even with less. It's splitting hairs as I like both, but the one thing I was worried about was the 132mm rear on the Shuttle and I was actually pretty blown away with how it feels. Don't think you can make a bad choice between the two.

 

They are both indeed pretty awesome bikes. The rise for sure has some drawbacks... most notably the build quality on the frames could be a bit better (cable routing, full sleeving or cable stops to keep it quieter) and the ep8rs would be mind blowing if not for the clanking of the sprang clutch. That being said, other then those niggles and a seat tube that is undoubtedly too long for each size, it was/is the best bike in the class that is widely available.

The fauza and TQ based systems are pushing the bar forward and if you're looking for that mid weight emtb they are clearly the more developed and advanced choices. I'm really interested to ride the fauza setup to see what the in application ride differences are. I think that ultimately, it will be a bit hard to go from the ep8rs 60nm - 350w with continuous access to the full torque vs the lesser normalized power, but 450w on tap via the 4-10 second boost feature. I think at first, without the app completely dialed to tune the assist to suite, it would feel a bit muted compared to an ep8rs and feel a bit out-gunned when trying to ride with other emtb's that are full power/weight.

However, over the long term, I have a hunch that the fauza system will be a better mtb experience. I mostly ride my emtb solo... so the fact that it is 10-20% more under gunned to full power/weight ebikes is not something I would be concerned about. I would gladly trade that for a better ride experience from less noise, less weight etc. The pivot will ultimately not be the vehicle that I choose when my rise is due for replacement, based mostly on geometry on the larger sizes. I ride an XL and the front/rear center ratio is too imbalanced on the XL sizes for my riding preferences... but if I were a size medium and shopping for a light weight ebike today... this or the fuel exe are the obvious choices.

Can anyone share real world bike weights? Anyone that has experience with the ep8 or bosch systems that provide consistent nominal power provide any feedback on the fauza solution of the 4-10 second boost feature?

 

They are actually pretty close is weight. My M10 size large, tubeless with pedals was right at 41.9lbs. My large team Xtr Shuttle tubeless with the same pedals is 40.59lbs. Considering the Pivot has Reynolds carbon wheels, that’s pretty close. My Levo Sl with Roval carbons was 38.

 

Medium Pro X01 w/ aluminum wheels ready to ride (pedals & wahoo) is 41.3 lbs.

 

FWIW, my stock Pro X01 medium with tubes/without pedals was 40.25lbs

 

Same- my Levo SL is for solo easy days or really long days where I don't want to be demolished. The light weight is a must. Power I do not need. It can be much faster than my regular MTB anyway. The must-have is the extender (I have two) and keeping it around 40 lbs. That is heavy enough for fun handing. Heavier and it feels really way too planted. The Pivot, Trek, and the new Levo SL, are the top three in my book. Even the Rise is a bit too heavy for me. While I see a lot of full-power e-bikes around, I think the lower-power lighter ones are for mountain bikers who value the handling advantages. I am not sure how well they are selling. I'll ask a big dealer soon, since they opened a store near my house. The Pivot looks really good but not sure it has an extender battery. L

 

20% battery left after this ride on the Pivot Shuttle SL. Haven't ridden my other bike since I got it. I'd rather just go steeper/further on this one and explore new places. Lots of long steep low-traffic forest roads extending past the mtb trails in my area. If you have a lot of extended 18% + grades, it can be a great workout. This one had some 22% grades, maybe steeper.

 

That is pretty good range. Do they have extenders? I'm still on the Levo SL but I hardly ride it since I'm training for a big ride. I'll restart soon and do some longer rides on it soon. I have two extenders and could go 8K-9K easily.

 

Do they have extenders?

supposedly coming in the year ahead

 

That's a bummer. I'd probably not buy an e-bike that did not have extenders. I need at least one since for me, the ebike is for longer rides at lower effort. I'm in the minority, since the e-bike is not my primary bike at all. The Pivot looks good though. For me, there are only three interesting ebikes today...the Pivot, the Trek, and the new Levo SL (though I'd have to swap that rear wheel to 29). Nothing else is appealing.

 

You'd be surprised how much range you'd get out of the SL with a 430 Wh battery. 35 miles with a decent bit of climbing easily.

 

I can get 40+4,500ft with my Levo SL and it is tapped out. I'd need more, or I'd be climbing on a 40 lb bike after 4-5 hours of high-altitude suffering.